Make it non-gold

[Dan]

It might be a good idea to make Zone and GK non-gold. Perhaps it will make both player counts grow again, who knows? Gold memberships could be re-added after a certain period anyway. I vote yes.

[James]

I still think the best way would be to create clones of the servers, but have the new ones reset just to test the waters out a little.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Googi

The only people that would expand access to is people who still have lifetime classic subscriptions. Subscriptions are unified now. You can't buy just a playerworlds subscription anymore. You HAVE to buy access to GK.

Bingo.

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I have yet to visit a server in my travels where someone is developing a GK/Zone style server. I think xZirox was the last person I saw working on one.

Mythic had it's own style, with it's own sprites. I'm still looking for anyone willing to continue that project, considering I ditched it for Maloria.

[James]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Mythic had it's own style, with it's own sprites. I'm still looking for anyone willing to continue that project, considering I ditched it for Maloria.

How far a long was your battle system?

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by James

How far a long was your battle system?

It was pretty much completed, then we broke it when trying to make the code more flexible, and never got around fully rewriting it.

[Bell]

It might be a good idea to make Zone and GK non-gold. Perhaps it will make both player counts grow again, who knows? Gold memberships could be re-added after a certain period anyway. I vote yes.

I have to agree. I think we need to simplify and reduce the number of subscription types to make it easier for new players coming in and to reduce the massive playerbase spread thats happening now. I'm not exactly sure how it should be tabbed though as Classic servers use a different subscription method all together. It would sort of lump Gold servers with Hosted under a Playerworlds type heading and they don't really fit there either.

[Tigairius]

I agree that right now the subscription system isn't the best, but chances are it's not going to change. I don't think moving Zone and GK over to classic is going to make any more money to (maybe) influence them to change the subscription system.

Subscribing should be as simple as possible, otherwise people will say "forget it!"
I can count several people I know who refuse to pay for Graal due to a lot of confusion:

A) "If I upgrade then I will lose my classic subscription!" See? This is what happens when you start taking classic subscriptions without documenting it well. Just for the record this is FALSE. You do not lose your lifetime classic if you upgrade to gold...

B) "I can't even log in on the website, it automatically logs me out" Nothing here to blame but the website itself for not handling the cookies well enough.

C) "It's too confusing" The website IS confusing. I support unixmad, Stefan and Graal a lot, but I have to say, I can't support the website.

These are the most common reasons people don't upgrade, it's not the price of subscriptions that's the problem.

I will list a few things that are more expensive than Graal that we do quite a lot more frequently:

- The average person spends more than $40/week on groceries & food. (This is based off of the friends I've asked)
- Filling a tank of gas lately takes more than $40 depending on your car.
- Things like the average phone bill costs sometimes $60/m
- A console game usually costs $60, how long does that entertain you? Sometimes 3 months if it's really good. How long does Graal entertain you? Indefinitely.

I agree Graal needs to see more updates and changes to the system to become more successful, however, making more free things won't help the situation.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by TheSpude_P2P

If Graal Kingdoms was on the Classic Player list I could see it as the #1 server = D

me also.

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

These are the most common reasons people don't upgrade, it's not the price of subscriptions that's the problem.

I think the main reason people don't upgrade is because of the price. Graal is not worth what we have to pay for. So many games out there that are either cheaper or free and we get so much more for our money

I will list a few things that are more expensive than Graal that we do quite a lot more frequently:

- The average person spends more than $40/week on groceries & food. (This is based off of the friends I've asked)
- Filling a tank of gas lately takes more than $40 depending on your car.
- Things like the average phone bill costs sometimes $60/m

Those things are necessities, Graal is not necessity. Some of us can actually live without Graal. Lots of things are inexpensive and easily affordable but that doesn't mean that I should go out and waste my money on them.

How long does Graal entertain you? Indefinitely.

It doesn't really. It's Windows Live Messenger with swords.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Crimson2005

Those things are necessities, Graal is not necessity. Some of us can actually live without Graal. Lots of things are inexpensive and easily affordable but that doesn't mean that I should go out and waste my money on them.

The point is, things like necessities are more expensive than a leisure activity, as it should be. If it was $5/m would you be more inclined to upgrade? Because that's about the going price for Graal right now, except you pay in bulk. It's really inexpensive.

[James]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

I will list a few things that are more expensive than Graal that we do quite a lot more frequently:

- The average person spends more than $40/week on groceries & food. (This is based off of the friends I've asked)
- Filling a tank of gas lately takes more than $40 depending on your car.
- Things like the average phone bill costs sometimes $60/m
- A console game usually costs $60, how long does that entertain you? Sometimes 3 months if it's really good. How long does Graal entertain you? Indefinitely.

I agree Graal needs to see more updates and changes to the system to become more successful, however, making more free things won't help the situation.

1) Food is pretty mandatory spending, if ya get my drift.

2) Gas is not necessarily mandatory, but in this day and age you really need a car to get around.

3) A cell phone really depends on your social status/job/etc., although not mandatory either, a lot people do need them.

4) You get to have the game forever, and XBOX Live really brings the replayability factor out with some games. I'd rather pay for XBOX Live Gold then Graal.


I do however agree with you on how people are confused. The website has been dumbed down and doesn't reflect Graal in the least. Heck, their first website ever was better than this one. I liked it better when all we had to do was upgrade for one thing and we had access to everything. I think Graal is worth about $10.00 for a whole year in its current state. I just feel like Cyberjoueurs is just going to let the game die and move to something else.

[Elizabeth]

so, what about people like me? i'm not old enough to get a job, i don't know anyone with kids- therefore i can't babysit, newspaper route would be hell around here, and i'm pretty sure my parents won't give me the money for a graal subscription. how am i supposed to pay?

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

so, what about people like me? i'm not old enough to get a job, and i'm pretty sure my parents won't give me the money for a graal subscription. how am i supposed to pay?

Make Stephen pay for it.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Bell

Make Stephen pay for it.

laff

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by James

I think Graal is worth about $10.00 for a whole year in its current state.

What would you do to improve it and lift it out of it's current state?