Change to Old Locations

[ffcmike]

I've mentioned it before within a different thread that I would like to improve the outside appearance of SuperNick's one day.
Low and behold while the Castle Dungeon is still progressing (in terms of the quest by itself, it's something like 5 more levels and the main boss left to complete, with there being 18 levels and the miniboss already complete), FallChild has provided us a helping hand towards renovating the arena:



I'd expect most if not all will agree this is an improvement to the original, the wall tiling slightly improves the perspective while the outer fence is more fitting for being outside, with the sign, lamps and door way providing extra detail.

I believe it is also important however that such a historic and recognisable landmark retains its identity (and yes I know the original building at this location was the Northern Limits ).
I've shown this picture to SuperNick himself and he's all for it, so now I'm posting this here to gather thoughts, and to ensure it doesn't come across as too much of a surprise in the event of being implemented.

Edit: Now implemented

[callimuc]

Sexeh

[FaLLChiLD]

[James]

[maximus_asinus]

can't tell the difference between the two versions but that is a good thing I think.

[FaLLChiLD]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

can't tell the difference between the two versions but that is a good thing I think.

It was important to hold the same essence of the structure whilst improving it's quality and perspective (when shown you can see major differences - I'd say it's a good thing that you couldn't recall based strictly off your memory; shows that the intentions were achieved).

Let's hear some more input Classic players!

[MattKan]

Works for me. Definitely looks nicer with the wall tiling, and I never did get that carpet edge around it, so it looks good without that.

The biggest issue is something that didn't get changed: the perspective of the tip of the top of the arena. It looks awkward and should be fixed somehow. Bottom looks loads better though.

And I just noticed that it's a bit smaller than the old arena. Maybe if you made it a couple of tiles bigger...

[FaLLChiLD]

It's the same size, the carpet tiles around the old one are playing mind tricks on you. As far as the top goes this is the best perspective achievable, with these tiles, in a pyramid design.

[WhiteDragon]

+1 from me, looks good.

[Luda]

Looks good I guess.. I'm not liking that sign though or the crappy door(s)

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Luda

Looks good I guess.. I'm not liking that sign though or the crappy door(s)

So is there actually something wrong with the sign?
It's impossible to distinguish between that or it just being a matter of personal preference against the sign even being there. It's there to provide a base for the text, plus the 2 characters are the 2 Pachuka outfits which SuperNick used one of.

The door is a pair of crossed swords which splits across the middle to open.

[FaLLChiLD]

I honestly may have plans to redo the sign to look nice, (that work was done quicker then lightning) so don't get too nitpicking bout these small things. As far as the door goes, I've had a plethora of positive comments that it was their favorite part. Personally I think it fits (as do the rest of the staff).

I really appreciate the positive input from the community and am glad to see it were implemented (a good amount of hours weren't spent renovating. Also big thanks to Thor for overseeing changes and keeping things in check.

[Luda]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

So is there actually something wrong with the sign?
It's impossible to distinguish between that or it just being a matter of personal preference against the sign even being there.

I think it's the brick tile overlay on the text that annoys me the most, I know that it was originally there when it was actually OVER bricks but this time it isn't.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

plus the 2 characters are the 2 Pachuka outfits which SuperNick used one of.

Yeah, I know who the two outfits are, and I don't mind that. Maybe make them into statues like that fountain below MoD fort had, it might not look good but it's a suggestion to experiment with.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

The door is a pair of crossed swords which splits across the middle to open.

I can see that the swords cross, but I'm talking about the actual door behind it, it doesn't fit well with the tileset and it looks like it's still in the "sketch" mode. It would probably look better if it was one whole door too, not two seperate ones.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Luda

I think it's the brick tile overlay on the text that annoys me the most, I know that it was originally there when it was actually OVER bricks but this time it isn't.

Ok so the brick lines have been removed from the sign text, there's a raised outline now aswell:

[DustyPorViva]

<gauntletvoiceover>Text needs AA badly.</gauntletvoiceover>