Bile

[seanthien]

Poison resistance? Do you know what that does? It's how much poison effects you; how much str, dex, con it takes off. Not sure about damage, but I am sure about what I just said.

As for usefull spell, a few disease, wounds, I think that's good enough to be honest.

"Insect swarm" is that what it's called? The one with the bees or something? That's like the only attack spell that Brigid gets and it fails hardcore and doesn't really work. The only real brigid spell I ever used was santcuary if I was fighting some sort of mage.

Bile's weakness to Holy Word isn't really that bad. I mean if you're smart, you'll notice the gani that the person is gonna cast something Holy and you'll run away or try to get a hit in to stop them.

[MajinDragon]

Oh god leme throw someone a lifeline...

No one is disputing bile is in good shape compared to other gods, that's a fact. Infact, Bile appears to be very much better off and it'd do more good to argue about other gods and what they need. But this is Bile's thread, so we're not going to do that here.

I'm pretty tired of sus comming up as a big bonus of bile. Erm, when i was Gov (waaaaay back when i started off) i just spent an hour making food, which lasted about a week, not to mention there's a Tavern and while hunting, monsters drop parts which are great as food on the go once you use woodsman skill. I never had a problem with food, but i guess it becomes a hot topic when 70percent of the average players online time is spent idling...

Bile is supposed to be the affliction/necromancer type god, so it's main bonuses would be it's mastery of death (poison, disease, cold, fear all of that horrible stuff), so when people say 'omy god look at the poison resist' erm ya... basic bonus. The reason why it appears to be oh so godly is how terrible overpowered poison is. If things were balanced and poison be nerfed to reasonable levels, you'll see that poison resist isn't really all that.

And as for our diseases (which should be our main attraction, being the affliction masters that we are...), i won't even bother saying they're balanced and fair in strength, they're the most overpowered (along with rabies, ogma, don't think you're not involved) element of the game thus far. I remember Klay annoying me, so i just red death'd him, and he could barely move, once in water, he was totally imobile. So obviously they need to be nerfed, alot, so that they aren't so potent alone, but coupled, both deaths can be a menace to spell casters, and really affect melee users (no regen, damage over time for each death and slight speed reducts based on wis level). But obviously, immunities need to be done with, they weren't intended to affect all diseases like this, i spoke with Stefan about it. Nightfall also needs to be tweaked, it was ridiculously strong, as i said before, needs to just cause indefinate blinding and temporary limited view like that of labrynth

Man i'm getting tired with all the problems with Bile.
Okay death prayers/spells. Face and Finger of death, for Bile users who aren't melee based is essential. Bile isn't a melee god, infact it's probably best suited to a priest type, but obvious complications don't allow for it to be used this way. These need to be fixed aswell.

You're all probably thinking, oh my god bile would be too damn strong. Err yea, if compared to gods at the moment. I'm speaking for Bile only because, i'm a Bile follower. The truth is though, all gods need to be revamped, tweaked ect, Brigid is the only one i'd say is fine except that i invisioned Brigid to be the support god, it seems atm that it's just alot of failed attempts at making Brigid a passive caster with half-baked combat capabilites. Sanctuary should be a support spell, should be able to cast it on an ally, i'd also like to see Restoration as a Brigid only prayer, that'd spice things up. But this is biles thread so leme wrap this up.

And for those Bile users who are haunted by Holy word. try cursing, and i don't mean the verbal kind.

Strangely i feel like i'm repeating myself....

[seanthien]

Heh, I guess things have gotten a bit outta hand. I have one last thing to say though, no matter how much food you have, if you run out too quickly, it'll take a few moments (In which you won't regain) to eat the food/item that's first in your inven which doesn't seem like much, but if you're stalling for hp/mp it can be crucial.

[scriptless]

I personally worship bile. This is not because of the food. It is because I have stuck with bile since the beginning and when I was told bile was no good I stuck with him. Now people are using bile +5 at about level 60 phy to 1 hit kill lords, bigworms, and other monsters. Guess bile isnt so useless afterall.

What ever happened to those other gods? Leuc, Dian, and so on. Didnt one of them lower ac/wc and cause blind? That to me seemed better then ogma's poisin in a pvp battle. Why is ogma so popular?

We all know god's need a bit more balancing. I think food is not an issue here tho. Be happy bile offers the chance of 1 hit kill's and the food as icing on the cake.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by scriptless

I personally worship bile. This is not because of the food. It is because I have stuck with bile since the beginning and when I was told bile was no good I stuck with him. Now people are using bile +5 at about level 60 phy to 1 hit kill lords, bigworms, and other monsters. Guess bile isnt so useless afterall.

What ever happened to those other gods? Leuc, Dian, and so on. Didnt one of them lower ac/wc and cause blind? That to me seemed better then ogma's poisin in a pvp battle. Why is ogma so popular?

We all know god's need a bit more balancing. I think food is not an issue here tho. Be happy bile offers the chance of 1 hit kill's and the food as icing on the cake.

Bile has always been able to 1hit almost anything (even players). It just needs a larger average of higher level players to have that displayed. It doesn't take that much phys to 1hit lords and big worms btw.

Leuc is a hybrid god imo, it has great spells for mages, and it's blessing offers ac bypassing physical attacks. Leuc would probably be best suited for a pvp mage though, it's a shame whirlwind doesnt do anything. Dian does give blinding to weapons. Blinding used to be very epic but even in it's former glory it would be pretty redundant now that the average bmoder has a high enough phys to not be bothered (unless they ac stack hard). Ogma is popular because poison is so lame. It is the match winner. Poisoning someone who isn't blile or ogma holy posd can deal -8 to -10 stat reductions in str, dex and con. The str and dex loss means that they wont be able to get away and are sitting ducks. The damage from poison also annoys mages..

The balancing of the gods will be extremely tricky to say the least, i have my ideas for bile, like weakening the diseases, lowering their grace cost and making them a duo (red = stat and black = regen and damage) instead of red death being so op'ed. ofcourse diseases gone, face of death fixed so bile can actually level w/o wasting crazy amounts of grace on many wounds. Finger of death as bile's mini nuke prayer and nightfall as a buff (++dmg(especially wounds) + resists -resists -con).

Overall though, balancing needs alot of impartial testing, each god needs to have a clear purpose and not have some op'ed all rounder.

[Cubes]

Ogma is better for phys just because of holy possession. You can use holy possession and equip a Gov weapon and it will be as if you're using a Talefung or Angel Blade.

[Craigus]

Bile does not need buffs, that is represented alone by the percentage of the server that is already bile.

[Felix_Xenophobe]

me n majin had some pretty cool ideas for balancing gods and stuff a couple of months back i dnt remember wat we said tho but if we would remember we would've fixed gk 4ever and u guys would b seeing 100+ playercount

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by Craigus

Bile does not need buffs, that is represented alone by the percentage of the server that is already bile.

Lol the reason the majority flock to bile is laziness. Very few newbies want to be devoting most of their time gathering food (we all know they will because they'll be taking alot of damage) and dieing from diseases that come with being malnourished. Bile is the easiest option to start out ones GK life because of the sustenance bonus and that's all. The majority don't know anything about bile's prayers, what holy pos FULLY does, what other prayers bile has that are disabled etc. Noobs only know 'i don't die ez if i pray 2 him'.

Originally Posted by Felix_Xenophobe

me n majin had some pretty cool ideas for balancing gods and stuff a couple of months back i dnt remember wat we said tho but if we would remember we would've fixed gk 4ever and u guys would b seeing 100+ playercount

Oman we did pretty much fix the gods problem with those ideas =[
I only remember that we basically suggested what each god needed and made sure none of them was op'ed but i dnt remember the specifics.

[Cubes]

ogma needs +100 dmg bracers with +4 con

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by Cubes

ogma needs +100 dmg bracers with +4 con

You'll turn this into post Gambet maloria and we'll have fights lasting 5seconds. Next you'll want attack speed drastically lowered

[Cubes]

Shadow Katars need 15 second freeze thx. Also people need to learn how spells work that will counter bile like curse for example or holy word which makes bile not quite as overpowered. Also as for resist stacking or holy possession all you have to do is cast your low level holy possession or protection spell on the player and their resistances drop. Bile isn't quit as overpowered as everyone things and I would be quite happy if everyone on the server switched to bile so I can 1 shot them with my holy word and own their red death and wounds with curse.

[MajinDragon]

Lol cubes, i dare you to fight me with your holy word.

[scriptless]

Isn't this forum about BILE. Not the other God's? Lets keep to subject and go argue or complain about the other God's in another thread.. haha

Even I do not know what Bile's prayers do. I got gyped, I had like 350 grace and it said it granted me a prayer but I just never received it =/ But I was borrowing WIS gear off shrimps. Tig already told me nothing is broken on it (this like a year ago I think). Personally I would like to see some lower level prayers or items obtainable by bile. Maybe something in the 150-250 range even.

And for the sus bonus I think it would be easier for noobs if we just handed them a sus ammy so they could freely pick a god and stick with that. I am noticing everyone flocking over to Bile now. Which is okay but didn't I recommend Bile as a god many years ago and got harassed by it.

Yes I do know that you can 1 hit kill most things even with low phy, why do you think I said bile owns all these years.

What EXACTLY does "holy word" for bile do?? Can anyone elaborate on that one for me? I have a general idea but now that I read these posts I start to wonder.

[MajinDragon]

Originally Posted by scriptless

Isn't this forum about BILE. Not the other God's? Lets keep to subject and go argue or complain about the other God's in another thread.. haha

Even I do not know what Bile's prayers do. I got gyped, I had like 350 grace and it said it granted me a prayer but I just never received it =/ But I was borrowing WIS gear off shrimps. Tig already told me nothing is broken on it (this like a year ago I think). Personally I would like to see some lower level prayers or items obtainable by bile. Maybe something in the 150-250 range even.

What EXACTLY does "holy word" for bile do?? Can anyone elaborate on that one for me? I have a general idea but now that I read these posts I start to wonder.

Well when discussing bile it's sometimes required to mention other gods.

Bile has 6 granted prayers in total: cause many wounds; cause red death; cause black death; nightfall; face of death; finger of death. Of those six only one is working fully. Cause red death and Cause black death are obtainable but do not work fully because of disease immunity bug (i'll call it a bug) which allows people to gain immunity from both diseases by being afflicted, dieing and then waiting patiently without being restored. After immunity is gained it doesn't matter if the player is restored, they are immune forever which instantly makes those prayers useless unless you harass a player and eventually restore them before they gain immunity .
Nightfall, face of death and finger of death are disabled. Nightfall, i have been told, acted as an affliction of visual impairment. The afflicted would suffer sight loss to the degree of being limited to that small circle of vision like players are in labyrinth event. Apparently it also caused stat loss but was way oped because of the stat losses. Finger of death was the strongest wounding spell, it was stronger than critical wounds by a lot and was also unavoidable either because it traveled faster or instantly struck the target. Face of death was a variant of the known wounds spells and was infact a coned version, basically Bile's holy word but of death.

I don't know if Tig really told you that, because it's obvious from the first post in this thread that Bile has broken spells, 5/6 don't work properly.
Also, Bile has medium level (150 base grace) prayers available. Only cause black death is high level.

Holy word is bile's most known and biggest weakness. Bile is denied the use of holy word spells from the go. And is the god most damaged by holy word. One holy word can 1-hit kill a bile user if the caster is of a high Wis level or affiliated with a god which has a strong voice such as Brigid. Combination's of the two will kill Bile users.

You seem to not know ANYTHING about bile for someone who has been a bile user from the start...