Informational: Vote Kicking System

[MisterMastermind]

Wait a minute... Huwajux goes through and deletes all of my posts after that point and anything quoting my posts, but doesn't bother to delete Jo's instigation?

Originally Posted by Gambet

Everyone listed in the staff array is protected, so that would include every single events team member.

Ohboy, contradiction.

Originally Posted by Gambet

I don't really care what reasons people have for kicking one another, the point is that if you can get over half of your team to vote on it, then chances are the person is being a douche.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Uh, no...

Vulcan was originally hired on Zone back when he was Graal's Guild Admin. He then basically became the new "admin" of Zone, then later on became PWA. During his running of Zone he had hired Huwajux as the first ET. Few years later Vulcan quits Zone and hands power over to Huwajux.

Um, no.


I was the only staff on Zone with Stefan when I first joined 2 years ago and I worked on Zone between 6 months to a year before my gold ran out. While I first started working on Zone, Vulcan was not a global, or known much for that matter. In fact, Vulcan hated me at first, because he wanted to work on Zone and Stefan asked me if Vulcan should be hired and I wasn't up for it because I didn't need any help with Zone since Stefan would be handling all of the scripting and I was handling all of the player relations aspect, so I didn't need the help. Back then there were no events, so Vulcan wasn't really needed. When my gold ran out, Vulcan took over simply because Stefan needed someone to fill in after me since back then I wasn't old enough to work yet so I wasn't able to keep my account upgraded. While working on Zone, Vulcan became more known and that was when he stepped into the global team. And ironically enough, he doesn't hate me anymore now that he's higher then me on the 'spectrum'. I don't really mind though, he's a cool kid.

Huwajux is just an ET like the rest of the other ETs, but he has RC because he makes gani's and so that he can communicate directly with Stefan when needed.

Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

Ohboy, contradiction.

How the hell is that a contradiction? It doesn't apply to staff for obvious reasons.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Um, no.

How was anything that I said actually wrong? This is about Vulcan not you or what Zone was like before Vulcan.

[MisterMastermind]

Originally Posted by Gambet

How the hell is that a contradiction? It doesn't apply to staff for obvious reasons.

You just got done preaching that if half the people on the team don't like you, you shouldn't be on the team, but you add something to protect yourselves anyway.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gambet

How the hell is that a contradiction? It doesn't apply to staff for obvious reasons.

If the idea is that if half the team wants someone out, they should be out and it doesn't matter why half the team wants them out, then I don't see what these "obvious reasons" are besides staff just not wanting to get kicked.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Googi

If the idea is that if half the team wants someone out, they should be out and it doesn't matter why half the team wants them out, then I don't see what these "obvious reasons" are besides staff just not wanting to get kicked.

With the exception of staff.


It was Stefan's idea to protect the entire staff team and I can see perfectly why. This is not debatable.

[Googi]

This system would rule so much if the staff protection was removed.

[Knightmare1]

who is Vulcan?

[anubis_wing]

Vulcan is a PWA who used topractically run this server along with Stefan. Then Huwajux was hired and Vulcan dropped from existance.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by anubis_wing

Vulcan is a PWA who used topractically run this server along with Stefan. Then Huwajux was hired and Vulcan dropped from existance.

Uh, no...

Vulcan was originally hired on Zone back when he was Graal's Guild Admin. He then basically became the new "admin" of Zone, then later on became PWA. During his running of Zone he had hired Huwajux as the first ET. Few years later Vulcan quits Zone and hands power over to Huwajux.

[Tracker180]

Whew, I am stayin' outta this one...

[Crono]

should change the kick system so that if you're on TAG it doesn't kick you...

[jkool666]

Originally Posted by Gerami

should change the kick system so that if you're on TAG it doesn't kick you...

No because then we'd blow our cover when catching hackers. They won't hack unless we secretly catch them with a hidden name/look. Putting on tag would blow that cover. Also, assuming I actually wanted to play, I couldn't as idiots would just rapidly kick me.

I have done slim to NOTHING wrong in Zone, there is no reason I should ever be removed from a team (assuming I keep that record), but I know of 50-100 players who would remove me from a team for a few reasons:
i) I've gotten them banned or locked them for breaking rules.
ii) They think it would be funny to bug staff.
iii) I refuse to do something which they ask of me, thus blackmail.
iv) Zone players are idiots.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by jkool666

No because then we'd blow our cover when catching hackers.

YES JESSE WE ARE SUCH SPIES, WE WOULD BLOW OUR COVER

I have done slim to NOTHING wrong in Zone, there is no reason I should ever be removed from a team (assuming I keep that record), but I know of 50-100 players who would remove me from a team for a few reasons:
i) I've gotten them banned or locked them for breaking rules.
ii) They think it would be funny to bug staff.
iii) I refuse to do something which they ask of me, thus blackmail.
iv) Zone players are idiots.

Thats what I'm trying to say but obviously Gambet just said the kick system is there to kick people for whatever reason. A random n00b can be as innocent as us but still get kicked.

[jkool666]

Originally Posted by Gerami

YES JESSE WE ARE SUCH SPIES, WE WOULD BLOW OUR COVER

We would, you would have to be an idiot to search for hackers with tag on. That stupid yellow dot on the radar gives us completely away, thus hackers see us coming and stop.

Originally Posted by Gerami

Thats what I'm trying to say but obviously Gambet just said the kick system is there to kick people for whatever reason. A random n00b can be as innocent as us but still get kicked.

But not as often. We are targets because we are staff.

But I'm not arguing that innocent players won't get kicked, I'm arguing that as staff, we should have special benefits to avoid being removed by players. And I have stated several reasons as to why we would need these benefits.

Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

You're not under cover by any circumstances. Most hackers don't care if they're locked or not for the simple fact most of them don't play zone except to hack for a laugh. "If over half the teams wants you gone you should be gone."

I have caught around, 20-50 hackers in the past 2 months. At most you have caught 2. I know more about how they act, thus I know that we would need to go *under cover* to find them.

Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

Do you know how many idiots I've killed in events? So many more than you've locked or gotten banned.

But if you include the ones I have killed in events, then I probably, have your number multiplied by 2 or 3. Or all the members I have in Alseus who would do it to be *funny* @ their king.

Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

"LOLOLLETS KICK DA LEGEND/ELITE!""If you refuse to give me X on server X I'll kick you!!!!" I'm not protected from their stupidity, and you shouldn't be either.

Yes you are, when I see them doing it, I lock them. But if I was to get removed from a map, vs you getting removed from a map, there would be a greater impact for me since I would be doing something thats actually important to the bettering of zone (as I really only go into the map when there are several hackers on).

I would like to conclude this by saying, Typhoon you don't play, thus you really can't be saying to much about any of this. You aren't effected by this rule at all. And finally, Gambet can't trust players as much as he can trust staff members. He'd trust me not to hack, WAY more then he'd trust players in general. Unfortunately I am being compared with a few other people (staff members) and you are being tied in with the players (who are complete idiots).