Graals Population

[Nelm]

Regardless of content and development tools, Graal will never see a sustainable boom in player count until the price drops, IMO.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Nelm

Regardless of content and development tools, Graal will never see a sustainable boom in player count until the price drops, IMO.

More like until it finds a better way of introducing new players to the game, but that's not possible at the moment due to the horrible quality of servers comparing to the gameplay of most other free MMORPG's.

[Nelm]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

...free MMORPG's.

Something Graal is not and should be. Graal is outdated and to be honest, I highly doubt that even if there were 5 quality servers to choose from that people would be willing to continuously willing to upgrade to play it. I could be wrong, but I just don't see it happening.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Ya it does.

how is it going to help if no one is uses them? having updates for 5 percent of the graal population (basically developers) instead of updates for 95 percent of graal's population (actual players) is plain stupid

we need actual content, not stuff to help make making content, theirs enough already - it isn't a problem

Originally Posted by Robin

These things are intrinsically linked, fools.

when did i say they weren't? i'm saying it's not needed, further updates for making development isn't going to help if theirs no one left to develop, which is what will happen if the current decline keeps up

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Hiro

how is it going to help if no one is uses them? having updates for 5 percent of the graal population (basically developers) instead of updates for 95 percent of graal's population (actual players) is plain stupid

we need actual content, not stuff to help make making content, theirs enough already - it isn't a problem

The fact that just about 99% of Graal is content made by players, it is very important. Not to mention anything developed even by Stefan is going to be using the same tools.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Nelm

Something Graal is not and should be. Graal is outdated and to be honest, I highly doubt that even if there were 5 quality servers to choose from that people would be willing to continuously willing to upgrade to play it. I could be wrong, but I just don't see it happening.

I'm completely against Graal's subscription methods, and believe they should do what most other games seems to do, and use in-game Shop for various vanity items instead. But for that to be possible, there needs to be at least one quality server, something Graal lacks.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

The fact that just about 99 of Graal is content made by players, it is very important. Not to mention anything developed even by Stefan is going to be using the same tools.

okay, but that doesn't invalidate my point at all, it still stands that it's going to be useless for most every player, and new development tools aren't going to bring in more players, agreed?

now imagine how excited we'd all be about the updates if stefan was announcing a new server

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Hiro

okay, but that doesn't invalidate my point at all, it still stands that it's going to be useless for most every player, and new development tools aren't going to bring in more players, agreed?

now imagine how excited we'd all be about the updates if stefan was announcing a new server

And how will Stefan make these great updates without updated tools?

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

And how will Stefan make these great updates without updated tools?

how will it be any better than making them right now? are you saying that stefan is incapable of making content because of the outdated tools he's trying to use?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Hiro

how will it be any better than making them right now? are you saying that stefan is incapable of making content because of the outdated tools he's trying to use?

Outdated tools = outdated content. He could make much better content with more updated tools.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Outdated tools = outdated content. He could make much better content with more updated tools.

so content built with outdated tools /= fun? or more specifically, old/boring content > new content built with "outdated tools"?

if you're going to argue for better tools, then i guess you must be a huge fan of the success that is graal3d? because that uses such a better system for creation, such more sophistication in development, just about every developer is trying to create things for graal3d right?

i mean seriously, get your priorities straight.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Hiro

if you're going to argue for better tools, then i guess you must be a huge fan of the success that is graal3d? because that uses such a better system for creation, such more sophistication in development, just about every developer is trying to create things for graal3d right?

From what I've gathered, a lot of developers (myself included) is against Graal 3D, so I'm not sure what you're basing your opinion over. Graal 3D isn't even actively being worked on, Stefan posted himself that it was more or less an "experiment" on CJ's side.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Hiro

so content built with outdated tools /= fun? or more specifically, old/boring content > new content built with "outdated tools"?

if you're going to argue for better tools, then i guess you must be a huge fan of the success that is graal3d? because that uses such a better system for creation, such more sophistication in development, just about every developer is trying to create things for graal3d right?

i mean seriously, get your priorities straight.

lol, you really are making assumptions here.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

From what I've gathered, a lot of developers (myself included) is against Graal 3D, so I'm not sure what you're basing your opinion over. Graal 3D isn't even actively being worked on, Stefan posted himself that it was more or less an "experiment" on CJ's side.

yea, i know, i was being sarcastic because it was an utter failure no matter which way you look at it, but it did happen to use more up to date tools

[fowlplay4]

It'd be sweet if it wasn't just Stefan developing the Graal client and the development tools for it, then just maybe we wouldn't be complaining about things being out of date.