Doesn't anyone want to pool together to make something?

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by kia345

Okay, go back to page one and read essentially every response you've gotten, included mine that you've blatantly ignored in favor of "but im rite".

So you had nothing to say?

You make such good posts I can see why your rep is so high.

[fowlplay4]

lol no kia345 u r

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

ftfy

[StormYs]

Originally Posted by TheGodAngelo

i just like to create, don't hate me

No hate intended, don't worry xD

Hiro your not wrong for wanting more people to enjoy graal. The thing is to make something new will require time, effort and money which you are fully aware of. This has been tried a lot in the past only to end up failing because of the three points that I mentioned. Even if the server did make it into the classic tab the dedication to hold the server up and running wouldn't be there anymore because of the huge amount of work to just get it into classic was already to much. The thing that I want to say is that the higher management should remove these barriers for the dev's, by as said before adding new dev tools or lowering the price of the subs to make a server. The higher management would most likely also benefit from this, but they are incompetent.

I am a player not a dev or whatever, I just want to play and enjoy the game (even though I rarely log in). I think that instead of focusing on creating something new it would be better to update the servers we have atm until the higher management actually do things for the devs to make it easier for them. Instead of making efforts for a new server it would be better to make effort for the consisting servers, as a player I would enjoy that more rather than waiting 1 or 2 years for a new server.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by PhantosP2P

I'm still willing to bet Valikorlia would take any of you starry-eyed developers.

Been there, done that. Ended up with management who had no idea what they wanted to do with the server and then had to sit there twiddling my thumbs with the rest of the staff since they preferred waiting for a dev server before doing any kind of worthwhile work.

[gravator]

Originally Posted by PhantosP2P

Of course. You're preaching to the choir on that one. Not a single person frequenting this forum would ever suggest that PC Graal is worth the money, except maybe Unixmad.

But why is it up the community to make it worth money, and not say... the people taking in all of the profit?

I'll cut to the chase: it isn't worth it for any player to clean this mess up, not until we've been given better tools, clearer communication, or just a slice of the pie we're selling.

This seems to be a common request from the developers, the desire for a new or better tool, would a person need to find an alternate method for making an idea work or does it always come down to needing a new tool entirely before work can continue only to come to a stop later still because you keep requiring new and better tools for a single project?


Perhaps it's someone starting work on a server, and suddenly wanting to remake all of the original work that may have been done up to a point when a new tool becomes available because it has the potential to be much better than continuing with the older tools and content that has already been developed.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by PhantosP2P

I'm still willing to bet Valikorlia would take any of you starry-eyed developers.

As much potential I can see in Valikorlia, I wouldn't want to work there.

[PhantosP2P]

Originally Posted by gravator

This seems to be a common request from the developers, the desire for a new or better tool, would a person need to find an alternate method for making an idea work or does it always come down to needing a new tool entirely before work can continue only to come to a stop later still because you keep requiring new and better tools for a single project?


Perhaps it's someone starting work on a server, and suddenly wanting to remake all of the original work that may have been done up to a point when a new tool becomes available because it has the potential to be much better than continuing with the older tools and content that has already been developed.

The only thing that would cause a developer to need to restart their work from scratch, in regards to introducing new "tools", is if there were a new version of Graal Script that made all of their work obsolete.

How about a level maker that works offline with .png tilesets? Or just a level maker that was made in this century? It's bones-old and horrible. There are work-arounds for this, but it introduces a barrier of entry for new developers. Explaining how to LAT at the last Val Con was kind of a joke in that regard. "Take your nice .PNG and save it as a .GIF so that the level maker can be previewed offline."

As for those of you who'd rather not work on Valikorlia, I think it's a pretty good indication of why I don't think this thread's point is very feasible. People don't like working together, and that statement itself is quickly denied by most; yet when you dig into what "working together" means (the sacrifices, the hard work, the mere socializing), developers have limited patience.