Can we phase out v5 yet?

[DustyPorViva]

Not until text controls aren't grabbing input at 20fps.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Not until text controls aren't grabbing input at 20fps.

Do you mean ones inside external windows?

Originally Posted by Skyld

External windows are framebuffers. They are redrawn only when necessary, unlike the game window.

I agree that they don't feel native (although they are plenty fast, at least on Mac). I wish Stefan would use some native code for them instead of just using a poor mockery of native controls through some half-assed WBA theme. I think the opinion of the players is pretty clear.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Do you mean ones inside external windows?



I agree that they don't feel native (although they are plenty fast, at least on Mac). I wish Stefan would use some native code for them instead of just using a poor mockery of native controls through some half-assed WBA theme. I think the opinion of the players is pretty clear.

Window version doesn't feel fast at all, you can even tell when highlighting and such. It's definitely not even close to native and in fact feels like it's being processed at the games frame rate(20fps).

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Window version doesn't feel fast at all, you can even tell when highlighting and such. It's definitely not even close to native and in fact feels like it's being processed at the games frame rate(20fps).

Odd, highlighting feels almost completely normal on Mac. Hopefully it gets fixed soon, I think it's about time for a client update.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Odd, highlighting feels almost completely normal on Mac. Hopefully it gets fixed soon, I think it's about time for a client update.

At first I tried to record and compare between v6 and OS text controls, but between Camtasia only recording 30fps and my inability to slow it down that was a no go. But while I was watching the recorded video I was able to cap a frame that shows just how behind the text controls can be:

[MysticalDragon]

I don't know and could careless.

[Troku]

The thing I hate most about v6 is that you either have to have the player list in game covering part of the window, or you have it outside the game and counting as a second window on the windows start bar, which is infuriating. I want one graal button on my start bar, and I want my out-of-game playerlist to stay up whenever I have the game up. The v6 out of game playerlist acts as a secondary window that doesn't have to be up when the game is. You have to mouse over the root and then click the playerlist.

Frustrating.

V5
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/439516/Graal/example.jpg

V6
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/439516/Graal/example2.jpg

[Wolfey]

V6 freezes way to much for my liking...
30 Minutes is the max amount of time I can play graal on V6 on any server...

Not a comp issue, I can run GW1 & GW2(beta) at max settings with Graal V5, RC, & Graal Editor & itunes running at the same time with no problems at all.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Wolfey

Not a comp issue

If your computer can't handle v6 (or Graal in general), then yes, it is a computer issue in one way or another.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

If your computer can't handle v6 (or Graal in general), then yes, it is a computer issue in one way or another.

I think he means it's not a problem on his end. Which it still kind of is... but more importantly it means it's v6's problem.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I think he means it's not a problem on his end. Which it still kind of is... but more importantly it means it's v6's problem.

It might mean that v6 has higher performance requirements than v5, but it's still a problem on his end. Doesn't matter if other games run better or not, considering all games have different hardware requirements. What's required to run GW at a high level might not be the same things that Graal requires the most of.

I haven't heard anything about v6 having increased performance requirements, other than from the usual bunch that seems to expect Graal to run smoothly on their laptops from 2000.

[DustyPorViva]

I get a really annoying fps-related issue with v6 which feels like it's dropping a single frame every second or so. Definitely not anything that breaks it, but fairly annoying to play and not feel like you're getting the smooth experience I had with v5.

[fowlplay4]

The problem with performance (to me) appears to be the lack of diverse (automated) testing, and useful diagnostics.

It also doesn't help the fact that a few 50+ page threads are being used for bug tracking, beta feedback and the only way to do any in-depth testing requires someone on RC to use a command to generate a log and then manage to get Stefan to read that log.

We're also way overdue for another V6 PC Update.

[Admins]

v6 should be much faster than v5, it has been optimized a lot to run on slower devices (iPod first generation etc.). The biggest difference in v6 compared to v5 on Windows is that it's using DirectX9 instead of DirectX7. The next version of Graal should hopefully running faster, it's using less hard drive operations then. The optimizations have been done to improve the startup speed on iPhone, with the latest versions of GraalOnline Era and Classic that problem has been improved a lot.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Stefan

v6 should be much faster than v5, it has been optimized a lot to run on slower devices (iPod first generation etc.). The biggest difference in v6 compared to v5 on Windows is that it's using DirectX9 instead of DirectX7. The next version of Graal should hopefully running faster, it's using less hard drive operations then. The optimizations have been done to improve the startup speed on iPhone, with the latest versions of GraalOnline Era and Classic that problem has been improved a lot.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...2&postcount=16

Is pretty much a good summery of my complaints from a player perspective. The first one was already addressed (v6 performs better) but the other two are still an issue.