Role of PWA?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Bell

You're misinformed on this but I won't discuss the details here.

Yeah, I didn't mean to put that out as a topic at all.

I get those same reports and do investigate, but USDing itself is very hard to prove since its rarely done through graal itself. As for the spawning? When its proven they are fired.

Do the PWA randomly log onto a server such as Zodiac or Era and check if items are coming out of no where or do they rely on the honesty of the administrators of those servers?

UC servers asking for hosted receive a break in that they usually cannot get quality staff while still UC. If its really bad we won't even approve for hosted.

I have no complaints on how you treate UC servers, although this thread isn't supposed to be some kind of report card on the actions of the PWA. Sorry if I made it look that way.

However, when was the last time you saw us approve a server for Classic tabbed?

Zodiac, which amazed me and is what made me confused about what the PWA are supposed to be doing and what they're not supposed to be doing.

Please don't count those that have been classic tabbed for quite some time. Obviously scripting capabilities have improved since then so standards would be increased over time.

It's the classic servers that I'm actually confused about. The PWA don't seem to bother enforcing quality checks on these servers. They can upload the ugliest content and get away with it, which I find pathetic because most of Graal's population and future population will be playing these servers.

[Bell]

I wasn't a PWA when Zodiac went hosted so I'm not even sure what their standards were then nor whom approved it.

I would love to be able to do quality checks on Classic servers but the PWA has been spread a little to thin of late to be able to find the time to do everything we really should be doing. That should be resolved soon. We still try to not be too invasive though. If we start complaining about every little detail they do it will just make management feel they have no say at all in what they consider to be good content or bad and the PWA might as well be running the servers rather than local management. When we do become too involved some of us then get battered and bashed for making the decisions we make. Thats fine though, its part of the job and all of us are aware that we aren't here to forge friendships, we have to make the tough decisions.

Crono, what have you done to me, I never respond this much on the forums

[Crono]

So when the backstage problems are solved, we should expect some form of quality control to be enforced from the PWA? Atleast something to help push the standards of Graal just a little bit? Also, I noticed you said that you don't deal with issues related with GK, Zone 3D servers or iphone, but do what about Classic?

Heh, what can I say?

[Bell]

Yes, once the backstage problems are settled and things have a chance to become a little less confusing you should see a noticeable difference in our presence and quality control.

Classic is what I call a 'limbo' server. Its client support is handled entirely by us but some issues relating to it we still get approval/disapproval confirmations through Ibonic or Stefan since it was the original Graal owned server.

[[email protected]]

Originally Posted by Crono

I've heard reports of items being spawned on Era and Zodiac and sometimes even sold for USD. Are the PWA even bothering to look through item logs of different servers? Why do I know this but PWA don't?

i won't lie, i sold a metal storm to tph for like 80usd but then Era reset a week later so it didn't really matter and no one noticed

since then, i've logged everything staff based, seriously everything. i don't think the staff even know whats being logged [which is a good thing], even looking through the scripts i don't think they'd fully understand what exactly is being logged. [when i say everything, i mean everything... ask Bell hehe]

[xXziroXx]

USDing in itself isn't against Graal's rules though.

Originally Posted by Rules of Conduct

Any exchange of materials outside GraalOnline secured exchange locations, falls under the term 'caveat emptor', or 'buyer beware.' In other words, GraalOnline will not be responsible for rectifying broken promises, incomplete trades, etc. in such a setting. If trading outside Graal 'sanctioned' trading locations, trade only with players you can trust.

However, if might be against the rules of some playerworlds. Even if it's not, staff might warn/ban you for massing or talking in public about it.

Cyberjoueurs doesn't support it nor recommend it, but that's not the same as not being allowed.


But alas, you were talking about spawned (aka unlegit items created by a staff member) items being sold - that'd be a banhammer case any time in my book.

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yes [staff spawned - illegal]

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

i won't lie, i sold a metal storm to tph for like 80usd but then Era reset a week later so it didn't really matter and no one noticed

since then, i've logged everything staff based, seriously everything. i don't think the staff even know whats being logged [which is a good thing], even looking through the scripts i don't think they'd fully understand what exactly is being logged. [when i say everything, i mean everything... ask Bell hehe]

One reason I don't play era.

[Sonniku4]

Originally Posted by Crono

What exactly is the role of the PWA team?

To piss the managers and everyone under them off.

...I have experience.

[Minoc]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

USDing in itself isn't against Graal's rules though.

Please don't use USD as a verb.

[warp2ukew]

Originally Posted by Minoc

Please don't use USD as a verb.

choir "AMEN!" /choir

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Bell

Its easier to explain what we don't do. We don't handle account or guild issues. We don't handle scripting problems although if one of us is able to help we do. We don't deal with issues on the forums nor do we handle issues with GK, Zone 3D servers or iphone (yet) or any of the other little side projects.

I do not do any of those either, let me know if you guys need some help.

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/PWA

The Playerworld Administration Team, or, as it is more commonly abbreviated, PWA, handles routine playerworld administration tasks such as renaming worlds, collecting and handling complaints and questions, arbitrating global disputes, and helping when worlds are maliciously damaged.

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

Ya, but you can't trust that. Read under it...

"Reminder: PWA are also easily reached at the Support Center"

[farte6]

Lol Who cares about the PWA, they arnt making the game better I tell you that much.