Graal Kingdoms' Current Status: Terrible - Page 2

Elizabeth · #16 05-08-2008, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

Initiating negative rep sequence. Done.

LOL
thank you
i forgot that was a forbidden word on the forums
and everywheres else .

xAzerothx · #17 05-08-2008, 01:48 AM

Tig4managerlulz

cbk1994 · #18 05-08-2008, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kia345

Dead men make horrible managers

At least they tend not to abuse their power.

DustyPorViva · #19 05-08-2008, 01:59 AM

Sounds like Classic. Staff willing to work, but inactive management that won't seem to be let go.

Stephen · #20 05-08-2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cbkbud

At least they tend not to abuse their power.

You definitely don't want Malinko then :P

cbk1994 · #21 05-08-2008, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

You definitely don't want Malinko then :P

If he's as bad as he was on Babylon ...

I should think death stops most abuse problems?

Stephen · #22 05-08-2008, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cbkbud

If he's as bad as he was on Babylon ...

I should think death stops most abuse problems?

Except he's not dead, unless you mean a dead beat drama queen.

kia345 · #23 05-08-2008, 02:08 AM

He took part in a conversation about people being mature last night. I would assume that mature men don't lie. So he's clearly a zombie.

cbk1994 · #24 05-08-2008, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Except he's not dead, unless you mean a dead beat drama queen.

I know him well enough to know he's quite the drama queen

He made a webpage with sad music with a LONG story of how he was going to let Babylon die ... all so he could fire people.

Googi · #25 05-08-2008, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

The problem is we need a new manager regardless who so that new staff CAN be hired and so that new content CAN be generated.

The issue is not the hiring of staff. If it were then all that would need to happen would be the better employment of the developer hiring capabilities of the kingdom leaders. The issue is access to GK's source code, which you do not get even if you're hired as a developer and without which you can't do very much. You could say "Well then we need a new manager who will give people access to the source code" but really all that's required is a single (and fairly passive) policy change, which doesn't require changing the manager.

Of course, if you really want new content, the best way is to simply release most of the source code publicly. This is what happened (due to a server backup being illegally leaked) on 2K1. The result was a lot of new content being made (did this new content actually do anything to stop the server from dying? No it didn't.)

xAzerothx · #26 05-08-2008, 04:21 AM

How would we get the source code if the manager isn't even on to give it to us?

Stephen · #27 05-08-2008, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

The issue is not the hiring of staff. If it were then all that would need to happen would be the better employment of the developer hiring capabilities of the kingdom leaders. The issue is access to GK's source code, which you do not get even if you're hired as a developer and without which you can't do very much. You could say "Well then we need a new manager who will give people access to the source code" but really all that's required is a single (and fairly passive) policy change, which doesn't require changing the manager.

Of course, if you really want new content, the best way is to simply release most of the source code publicly. This is what happened (due to a server backup being illegally leaked) on 2K1. The result was a lot of new content being made (did this new content actually do anything to stop the server from dying? No it didn't.)

Well you don't need the "source code" of the server to script for GK - I assume you mean the information the mudlib uses. It would definitely help people learn to script on GK - which is a large problem I'm having... I need people who have experience and aren't too busy to script.

A manager isn't going to have the authority to hand that sort of information anyways - it comes down to Stefan/Unixmad. This is probably why Stefan is hesitant to give me access, but as I've already said he's being very foolish. He's given iSplash access unknowingly and has given Tig (previous hacked on GK) access to whatever he needs. He's doing more damage with his paranoia and loyalty than good.

cbk1994 · #28 05-08-2008, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Well you don't need the "source code" of the server to script for GK - I assume you mean the information the mudlib uses. It would definitely help people learn to script on GK - which is a large problem I'm having... I need people who have experience and aren't too busy to script.

A manager isn't going to have the authority to hand that sort of information anyways - it comes down to Stefan/Unixmad. This is probably why Stefan is hesitant to give me access, but as I've already said he's being very foolish. He's given iSplash access unknowingly and has given Tig (previous hacked on GK) access to whatever he needs. He's doing more damage with his paranoia and loyalty than good.

Why does it matter if GK's source code gets out? Open source is (generally) good, he should let people use the scripts, even if only on GK.

Why is he worried that people can do harm with access to the code?

Googi · #29 05-08-2008, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by xAzerothx

How would we get the source code if the manager isn't even on to give it to us?

The manager shouldn't have to "give" you the source code. You should be able to download it like most development staff on other servers can.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Well you don't need the "source code" of the server to script for GK

It depends on what you're trying to do, but almost anything aside from very small updates would require knowledge of the GK's unique function and variable names, probably some idea of how the functions work, and the best way to get that knowledge is to look at relevant scripts on the server.

There are other cases where it wouldn't truly be necessary but would be good for purposes of efficiency/consistency. If you're making a new spell, for example, it would be more efficient and maintain consistency between the various spell scripts (I suppose it's not impossible that all spells run off a single function, but I doubt it. If they run off multiple functions with one for each of the various "types" of spells such as bullet, cone, etc. as is more plausible, assume the spell being made is something completely different) if you could look at the other spell scripts/functions while making it.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

I assume you mean the information the mudlib uses.

"Source code" refers to all scripts on the server.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

A manager isn't going to have the authority to hand that sort of information anyways - it comes down to Stefan/Unixmad. This is probably why Stefan is hesitant to give me access, but as I've already said he's being very foolish. He's given iSplash access unknowingly and has given Tig (previous hacked on GK) access to whatever he needs. He's doing more damage with his paranoia and loyalty than good.

I don't really understand what Stefan would have to lose by publicly releasing a lot of 2K2's source code (though I can see why he would want to keep SOME of it secret if he thinks it could be used to develop exploits). It's not like he's some petty playerworld owner. Even if playerworlds "steal" some of the code, it's hard to see how Stefan loses out given 2K2's current situation, and he would stand to gain if it results in an improvement in the quality of playerworlds.

xAzerothx · #30 05-08-2008, 05:44 AM

Ok, who will upload it somewhere so we can download the source?