Rules Update!

[DarkRenji]

Originally Posted by Crono

sweet, someone scam my mp5 so i can get u banned for 10 years

Not cool dude not cool..

[Donark]

Perma ban for scamming is ****ing stupid, it's a gun on a game don't even compare it to anything irl.

[papajchris]

The way the system works is:

if players act careless and don't use itemtrade, its a lose-lose (for the scammer and victim) as the item is auctioned off or deleted and the scammer is banned.
if player acts appropriate and uses a pr. its a win-lose (win for victim lose for scammer).

A 10 year ban seems long, but c'mon, no one will be banned for that long. sooner or later someone will unban them, whether its a year down the road, or a week after the final ban. It happens all the time.

The three strikes is more than enough of a warning for new players and old players alike to understand it is illegal. Scamming may become legal in the future, who knows, but until then it is illegal and the rules have to be followed. This isn't much different than how it was under Exolia, as we often reset the players instead of a life ban and then auctioned their items off. So this isn't really new.

[MontyPython]

Originally Posted by papajchris

The way the system works is:

if players act careless and don't use itemtrade, its a lose-lose (for the scammer and victim) as the item is auctioned off or deleted and the scammer is banned.

So you, the justice-seeking staff step in and become the true scammer. What a crafty way to create more ****ty money-sinks. But sometimes it gets deleted? What is your criteria for deciding whether or not something is deleted or auctioned off?

Originally Posted by papajchris

A 10 year ban seems long, but c'mon, no one will be banned for that long. sooner or later someone will unban them, whether its a year down the road, or a week after the final ban. It happens all the time.

So you admit it's a ridiculous sentence for the crime, and rather than have a just penalty you'll just stick them with 10 years and let them out whenever you feel so inclined. Great system.

I know this **** "happens all the time". It shouldn't.

Originally Posted by papajchris

The three strikes is more than enough of a warning for new players and old players alike to understand it is illegal. Scamming may become legal in the future, who knows, but until then it is illegal and the rules have to be followed. This isn't much different than how it was under Exolia, as we often reset the players instead of a life ban and then auctioned their items off. So this isn't really new.

No ****? I'm pretty sure we're all AWARE that it's illegal, but that's not the issue at hand. Why is it illegal? Exolia was just a shining example of a PR too, wasn't he? Globally banned now for item-spawners and various other infractions. What a great example to follow.


Honestly though, where's some administration to back this up? You're the only one defending this ****ty idea, I'd love to see some high-level staff try to explain (hopefully more coherently) how this is better.

[jkldogg]

Originally Posted by MontyPython

stuff

Agree.

Originally Posted by Tigairius

so sure weird shady guy I've never met, you can borrow my gun."

Haha, made my day.

Personally i think the new rules are hilarious. So a guy gets scammed and you delete/auction there items? LOLOL? It would be funny to have people whine about there items being deleted, but I rather you guys auctioned them. I like auctions that are like 20 minutes or less.

[papajchris]

@MontyPython It's illegal because Squirt and Deophite agreed to have it illegal 1.5 years ago i think? And I will not be unbanning any of these people. Will others? Possibly. The items get auctioned if money needs to be taken out of the economy or if there is a shortage of a weapon. Most will be deleted. Also Monty, California has the 3 strike rule, where you get a life sentence on your third strike, so why shouldn't Era do it! No but in all reality, i'd prefer resetting the players. But the "administration" agreed it is best to remove those who can't follow the simply rules of don't take what isn't yours. Also I was referring how Exolia reacted to spawners, not to his history or the administrations, so settle down

And jkldogg your looking at it wrong. if players are stupid enough to not use the functions we have available for them, then that is their fault. We can't follow every player around and make sure they are trading correctly. I mass nearly every day telling players to alwyays use itemtrade or have a PR present. The rules ALSO POP UP IN YOUR FACE every time you log on, not to mention they are also in the GP house, and on the Era wiki.

Basically, unless you are a scammer, don't know how to PM a PR, or use itemtrade, you will be protected.

@Donark And yet people still pay real money or risk getting banned for a gun over a game. A couple people in this thread included!

And i fail to understand the criticism, as the only one who has said something somewhat related is Monty. Correct me if im wrong, but you feel life ban is to long for a 3rd strike? And jkl, your just mad you got scammed by your buddy and want revenge.

[salesman]

<< is willing to bet that this policy increases scamming.

A PR is only going to help you when he wants to, and that isn't always going to be when you need it. Take it from someone who has been there -- don't implement policy you can't fully enforce. This is just going to turn into one huge headache for everyone.

[MontyPython]

Originally Posted by salesman

This is just going to turn into one huge headache for everyone.

This is exactly what I mean.

It already IS a huge headache the current way you're trying to deal with scammers. If you just made it legal again as I described in my other two posts, it makes everything fair. If someone didn't use the trade systems and loses their items, that's fair. If someone got an item from another player through means other than the trading methods, that's also fair. It's just as if someone dropped an item on the ground and someone grabs it randomly. Same principle.

Auctioning a scammed item tampers with the economy, and I think even as a money-sink it's a bad idea. If you want to go to the real world, I guess you're the government stealing property back from a thief then making profit on it by selling it to another person not involved with said property at all.

As I said before, what's the criteria for whether an item gets auctioned or deleted? It should be thoroughly thought out before either is allowed to be an outcome. And it's also (and this is the most important part) a completely unnecessary waste of resources and time. If you make scamming legal while still enforcing the trade systems fairness, every problem has a completely fair outcome and each problem takes care of itself. Want to go back to the real world? You can buy items that are legal through the legal market system. If you choose other deviant methods, such as a black market, you'll not get support from the government or local authorities.

If you intervene and start trying to play the judge, that's when you run into the huge mess of bias and inconsistency that is brought about by hiring staff from the playerbase.

Also, scamming in Era =/= committing a crime in California. If you want to treat this like real life then bring back Era Police and we'll roleplay getting arrested, getting frisked, and going to jail.

[papajchris]

Originally Posted by salesman

<< is willing to bet that this policy increases scamming.

A PR is only going to help you when he wants to, and that isn't always going to be when you need it. Take it from someone who has been there -- don't implement policy you can't fully enforce. This is just going to turn into one huge headache for everyone.

What causes the headache is the people that say "I lent the gun to my friend and he scammed me." I hear that about three times a day. Or the people that say "we dropped traded because I thought I could trust him." or a popular one "I didn't want to make my friend think I didn't trust him so I didn't get a pr." or we have people who drop items in a level thinking it's clear when it's nit and someone takes it and they complain they were scammed. Now it's basically, if your going to be lazy it's at your own risk. And tigs example isn't fake. It happens daily. Everday I get a pm from someone saying they lent a gun to someone they didn't no and got scammed. Anyone that knows me should no that I'm not lazy. But these scenarios have got to stop.

[papajchris]

Sorry for double post I'm on iPhone and can't figure out how to scroll down when I edit my other post.

@Monty I already explained how an item will be chosen to be auctioned or destroyed. And items are only being returned if u used a pr or the other methods but somehow got scammed. I guess in a sense it's legal now if you are dumb enough to ignore the safety functions. I'm assuming your in college. If u left your bike unlocked outside, and it gets stolen, it's your fault. If you put In storage and it got stolen from there it would be the schools fault. Does that make sense? Also understand it's not up to me to make scamming legal, so if you want it legal talk to Icarus. But like I said it basically is legal if you are stupid enough To ignore the pop up u get every day that reminds u to use a pr. Stealing from houses or any other storage room is obviously still illegal. Tbh I think house stealing is the only difference than it being like your idea

[Demisis_P2P]

Just make scamming legal.
There is absolutely no reason to lend people items anyway and now you're just catering to the lowest common denominator.

This is like giving everybody a license to drive as soon as they turn 17 and then dropping the speed limits on every road to 10mph to make up for the people who can't drive for ****.

If somebody is too stupid to own good items then they will eventually be relieved of them.

[Logababy]

Originally Posted by Crono

sweet, someone scam my mp5 so i can get u banned for 10 years

It will get auctioned off though.

[xTcDiabloxTc]

I personally would prefer scamming legal, with your only protections being /itemtrade and PRs watching trades. Didn't really seem to float on well with the others, so I let them decide how to handle it.

I don't like the idea of auctioning scammed items (this was brought up a LOT and I argued it til I was blue in the face). The new policy really won't change much, I think. Oh well. Guess we'll see how it goes.

[TheJames]

Man who came up with this bogus ****? I mean, yea there should be some sort of precautionary measures considering alot of the kids that play this game nowadays are 13-15 and they are really that stupid to get tricked into being scammed, but the item being deleted/auctioned? Thats bogus. You should do the 3 strike rule for the person being scammed if anything. First time, return the item, second time, jail both of them for being stupid, third just ban the kid who got scammed for being stupid enough to let this happen. I'd prefer playing with scammers then stupid idiots who are capable of being scammed.

[Logababy]

Originally Posted by TheJames

Man who came up with this bogus ****? I mean,

Some Chinese guy.