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[Luda]

Looks sweet can't wait.

[Gambet]

One thing to learn about most talented scripters:


They have lives.


Don't expect to find any talent if you're going to force them to work and you're not willing to fit to their schedule. Hell, it's not like we scripters feel like scripting each time we have spare time anyways. Sometimes it just gets tedious.


On a side note, that is one killer tileset.

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by Gambet

One thing to learn about most talented scripters:


They have lives.


Don't expect to find any talent if you're going to force them to work and you're not willing to fit to their schedule. Hell, it's not like we scripters feel like scripting each time we have spare time anyways. Sometimes it just gets tedious.


On a side note, that is one killer tileset.

I'm willing to accept that people have lives. My mother was in a head-on collision back in 2003, and I didn't have time for Graal any longer between running her business and attending college for a rather extended period of time. Though there's certainly a fine line between legitimate real life activities and blatant laziness, which of course is what was meant to be emphasized. Thanks for the comment regarding the tileset, in any event. I'm sure you'll like the rest of it.

[Infernix]

Not bad, still need to fix those damn castle tiles and make them easy on the eyes. Not to interested in your outside levels though lol so keep showing those castles.

[Eagle]

Good luck finding people who are talented in at least 3 areas. Also, not giving someone the job becasue they have things going on in their lives is pure stupidity.

Edit: Sorry, Cloven takes a better approach to the hiring. The other guy is an idiot though, and the word bootcamp pretty much describes his ideal playerworld.

Good luck eathier way though.

[kia345]

Looks nice, can't wait for it to be done, but I'm not offering to help.

[MKxTortoise]

Originally Posted by Eagle

Good luck finding people who are talented in at least 3 areas. Also, not giving someone the job becasue they have things going on in their lives is pure stupidity.

Edit: Sorry, Cloven takes a better approach to the hiring. The other guy is an idiot though, and the word bootcamp pretty much describes his ideal playerworld.

Good luck eathier way though.

Uh, I'm pretty sure we've got a misunderstanding here. I am pretty sure anyone here can set a transparency, use a custom tileset, and script a door. Just in case you can't, that's fine, but that is in fact the level of qualification you need to work for us.

More importantly, on the topic of "boot camp," I am pretty sure nothing I said was more severe than "if you don't plan on working, don't apply; if you stop working, you lose your job." Guess what! Every live server operates like that. Don't mistake my preemptive quality control for being a jerk. I think I am a pretty nice guy once you get to know me. I just have no tolerance for people who want to do nothing. I have finals, a real job, and find time to play not only Graal but also City of Villains. I'm also on my university's Track Team. My point is not that we was Graal players exclusively, just people that will work even though they have other things to do. I don't think this requirement is that harsh. I don't think the requirements of communicating, basic proficiency with everything, or registering on our forums are all that bad, either. However, if you can't work with us, you wont get hired.

[killerogue]

Originally Posted by MKxTortoise

stuff

Well, it wasn't my intention to imply that you were being a jerk, simply that you could of worded it better rather than calling people useless because they don't have the same type of messenger than you.

At point, it was quite ****ing rude and unnecessary.

Basically what you mean to imply, is that if one maybe two of the best leveler's on Graal...for all purposes, let's say Mmmkay and WDM.

Wan doesn't use AIM often and doesn't do other types of developement ( as far as I know ).

Mmmkay doesn't do any other developement as far as I know.

So. What you intend to imply is that you won't hire WDM because he doesn't use AIM a majority of the time or often at all?

And that you would not hire Mmmkary because he doesn't do any other developement?


Let's go for scripters, and use say, Chandler...and Skyld for example.

Do you intend to imply because Chandler does not have an AIM you would not hire him?

Or rather that because Skyld does not do graphics, or any other developement ( as far as I know ) you would not hire him as well?



Maybe you'd rather choose to word things better and choose not to say things like that. The server looks wonderful and I have no doubt you must be working very hard on it to be aiming for a June release date. But it's a rather big turn-off to have you saying things like that about people and to be so harsh about the way you create your thread.


* ( All people used as example's are friends of mine and used simply because of the reasons I applied. )


Sorry, about the post.

[MKxTortoise]

Anyone I hire is going to be communicating with me regularly. If someone was so extraordinarily legendary and they just absolutely didn't want to get AIM, yeah, I'd probably make an exception. In fact, the exception would've probably been orchestrated by one of the admins who work above me, like Misconception or Cloven.

My assumption regarding this forum, though, is that the people who read it don't have the legendary status the people you named have. That means they're going to work to my guidelines. This is, in fact, how you "break in" to a lot of things. There is a legend at my university that states a retired Professor who was a candidate for a nobel prize would teach class barefoot, every day. This is clearly outside of convention and probably an informally enforced dress code, but he was good so he did whatever the hell he wanted. Most professors here are not that lucky. They have to wear their dress shirt, slacks, dress shoes, and tie to class, every day. Same principle applies to this microcosm of a playerworld. If you're looking to earn the level of a fame that Chandler or Skyld have, a good way to do it is on a server that is much, MUCH more established than many of the servers here, because it's a hell of a lot easier to build a "portfolio" on a server that is already on the list. If you want that opportunity you generally have to do it my way. If you're already established, feel free to go over my head, but I am telling you now we are not accepting just anyone.

I think we have a difference in opinion and convention here, it's probably best to drop it. If you want to work for Delteria but don't want to work under me, go see another admin. I seriously don't mind.


Uh and to answer your question about elite specialists in one discipline, I don't really see it as practical. A legendary LAT would probably know the script to apply a custom tileset in GS1 and GS2. A legendary NAT can probably mess with tiles enough to figure out their special properties and arrange them in a somewhat-pleasing order. That same NAT has probably had to make custom GFX for fun NPCWs. Most GATs should understand fundamentals of level creation well enough to know how their GFX will work in conjuction with a level. There MIGHT be an exception with GFX knowing scripts, but even then -- setting a door, or editing lights, is not very hard. I seriously doubt the situation would come up; savants like that are very, very impractical.

In the event it did, the decision to hire you would not be mine alone anyway. Does that answer your question?

[Ravenblade1979]

Umm i know you want a good job done but you wonder why you need help. You are a good example of a server not many people would work for due to your total military attitude.

You sound like my parents.."It's my way or the highway".

Yes people need structure but you don't need to be a tyrant about things.

[DustyPorViva]

I'll just say my part. I understand the drive to want to get things done, but you also have to take into consideration that this isn't only about people having lives, but that this is free labor. No one wants to go work an eight hour shift being bossed around and getting paid for it, then come home and do the same thing for basically nothing.
I mean, I completely understand what you want, but I think there needs to be some leeway. But... on the other-hand you've managed to get this much done, which is a lot more than other servers can say, so you must be doing something right.

[MKxTortoise]

Are you people even reading the thread? There's a lot more freedom than I think you perceive.

Have you considered doing things like... I don't know, talking to Delterians? The major difference in policy before and after I was hired was that people are doing what I say as opposed to doing their own thing. I wouldn't call that "boot camp" or "harsh," I'd call it productive.

What are all of YOU looking for? Free RCs and a joyride? You need to communicate, you need to do your work, you need to be active within the local community. If you've got that much trouble committing it does a nice job of indicating how effective you'll be on our staff roster. If I hired Kaimetsu or a scripter of equal talent and he did 0% of the work I told him to, never posted on the forums, never let me send him projects and never talked to anyone else, how valuable is he to our roster -- really? I think you all need to reconsider exactly what I am saying. Moreover, a lot of you appear to be admins of your own playerworld projects. Have you perhaps considered that maybe your approach might be the wrong one? Have you stopped to consider the number of applicants that might have done something crazy like... I don't know, actually apply, instead of complaining of me being too harsh?

In summary what I said was "know how to do everything, let us give you stuff to work on, do what we give you." As far as "payout" goes, you get paid with your staff tag, your staff NPCs, and respect. In that regard, it is NOT a volunteer job in my eyes. If you're not interested in the job, don't apply. If you don't like my incentive structure, ask for something you want or don't apply. But don't confuse my quality control and structure with your unwillingness to work, because I get the idea that a lot of you have a problem with something my current roster and applicant pool find quite acceptable.

[Cloven]

I'm an even-tempered individual. Anybody who just wants to lay something out for me may always feel free to do so.

Tortoise is a bit over zealous, but that's just because this project has been a long time coming, and we're so close to releasing something that should be enjoyable by the majority of players on a regular basis. That being said, I'll state again that I look forward to speaking with anybody willing to lend a hand, and offer a competent tryout.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by MKxTortoise

As far as "payout" goes, you get paid with your staff tag, your staff NPCs, and respect. In that regard, it is NOT a volunteer job in my eyes.

To be honest, it's better to just accept that these people don't get paid then trying to justify payment with a tag. We all know we're not getting paid, if we wanted payment we wouldn't be doing the jobs on Graal that's getting done. What you're saying is payment isn't anywhere near what pay should be for some work that is done, and the time and effort being put into projects.

[MKxTortoise]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

To be honest, it's better to just accept that these people don't get paid then trying to justify payment with a tag. We all know we're not getting paid, if we wanted payment we wouldn't be doing the jobs on Graal that's getting done. What you're saying is payment isn't anywhere near what pay should be for some work that is done, and the time and effort being put into projects.

That observation is ridiculous because it ignores the assumed payout I hope everyone enjoys: the fun of making something.

If you don't like your job, and you don't need what it's paying (in this case, a tag, RC, building a portfolio, preexisting live server), DON'T APPLY FOR THE JOB. I can't make it any clearer than that. I justify it exactly this way. If you want the chance to create the closest thing to your own personal MMOG you'll ever see, apply for a job at Delteria. We are offering some things I assure you no other server, live or dev, can offer you. The server is at a unique point in the development stage where it would be VERY prudent of an aspiring developer to jump in.

You have to sit back and ask yourself for a second: why would someone want to learn to develop if they didn't enjoy it? Moreover, why would someone learn to develop if they didn't plan on using their skills? If RC isn't a good enough payout for you, being able to see people enjoying a completed playerworld sure as hell should be. If it's not, maybe you ought to take the hint and quit your job, because that is the type of reward developing offers.

Delteria offers a particularly high amount of opportunities for people with skill sets that may be considered useless, unpolished, or impractical. This is a good chance to make a name for yourself in the development community. Those opportunities come with responsibilities. You do what we say. That is how the server is being operated. If you don't like my policy, if you think you're an exception, if you don't feel like you're being paid what you're worth, if you think you can do better, or if you've got some other issue, there are exactly three solutions. First, don't apply for the job. Second, talk to Cloven and set up something with him. Third, find something better to do with your time, like working for another server or starting a playerworld of your own. I don't care which one you choose, but to complain about an opportunity being offered to you is so profoundly irrational I cannot even tell why people are still talking about it. I seriously doubt any other playerworld can offer what Delteria is currently offering, why is it so bad it comes with requirements, duties, procedures, and actual responsibility?