Graal Free To Play on Facebook and Android

[ffcmike]

Bump the continued lack of response on this issue is appalling.

I also emailed a copy of plans translated to both French and German (thanks again you two), so that's one more possible excuse that can be scrubbed off.

[Imperialistic]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

..I also emailed a copy of plans translated to both French and German..

i just **** my pants from laughter

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Imperialistic

i just **** my pants from laughter

It wasn't intended to make anyone laugh, but on the subject of it, here is the last response I received on May 7th:

Stefan: I will check your emails sometime soon.

The last -meaningful- response was April 2nd, the first response in February also occurred after over 4 months of attempted contact. So you could say there have been 7 months of potential lost progress on the matter, and after nearly 9 months I have not received anything that comes close to a definitive answer one way or the other.

[Admins]

ffcmike you understand that your weird behaviour is not really motivating us to speed up those things? This is a forum where you can speak about the game or development, this thread is about the Graal version(s) on Facebook.

[dude2020]

Wait, you can speed those things up and haven't been meeting the deadlines that you said?

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Stefan

ffcmike you understand that your weird behaviour is not really motivating us to speed up those things?

Then what is going to motivate you to speed things up exactly?
Or if you're simply too busy and are therefore unable to speed things up, which is perfectly understandable, why don't you just say so instead of continuing to ignore the issue?

If you were to familiarise yourself with the work that's been put into Classic for the past 3 years you'd find I'm not a stupid or unreasonable person, and although you may not like my behaviour, you cannot say I haven't been patient enough beforehand.
There are a lot of developers on PC Graal who are incredibly frustrated with the lack of support towards this version of the game. Sure there is the option to just give up and leave, but that's not a good thing, especially given that many feel PC Graal has its advantages and the potential for higher quality gameplay, compared to what exists on iPhone/Facebook Graal.

I'm not really asking for things to be sped up though, I'm just asking for clarification so I know what level of possibility exists for it. Ultimately I feel there is a responsibility to get something done rather than just assume there is an answer of "no".

Originally Posted by Stefan

this thread is about the Graal version(s) on Facebook.

Really?

Originally Posted by unixmad

We are planning to give the opportunity to PlayerWorld owners to move to Free To Play either. We will soon give a list of requirements to move a server Free To Play.

I must have misunderstood this part then.

[NicoX]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

I must have misunderstood this part then.

Same....

Do we get this list of requirements now or what? Why is it that complicated? If you can't do everything on your own I would suggest hiring more Developers to help you Stefan/unixmad.

You should be gratefull that so many Developers working for free, atleast give us (the Community) something back... I don't appreciate this arrogance.

[Galdor]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Really?
I must have misunderstood this part then.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

I must have misunderstood this part then.

Originally Posted by NicoX

Same....

Do we get this list of requirements now or what? Why is it that complicated? If you can't do everything on your own I would suggest hiring more Developers to help you Stefan/unixmad.

There is no list of requirements because it doesn't exist yet. I think they're still trying to figure out how they want their P2P model to work on existing servers. It's reasonable that their focus is on the iOS community because that's where the money is right now. I just don't get what's so hard about updating the v6 client to have a nicer playerlist, fix the funny way the font looks, and then make all of Graal F2P where you only pay for aesthetics (additional character colors, Zodiac's stuff, Era's stuff, etc).

There's no harm in making a bad server like UN completely free until they figure their crap out either, it benefits the players and only encourages playercount. This increase in playercount will eventually explore Era or Zodiac and spend some gralats there anyway.

Originally Posted by NicoX

You should be gratefull that so many Developers working for free, atleast give us (the Community) something back... I don't appreciate this arrogance.

Heh, welcome to Graal bro. I rarely do work anymore but when I do, it's small stuff for iClassic. I'm always reminded by a friend that we're not doing things for Stefan or unixmad, we're doing things for the community and the thousands of players who will be experiencing our content. That's slightly motivating.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Crono

fix the funny way the font looks

What's wrong with the font? I thought the issue with nickname bolding was fixed?

[Darklux]

I thought it might be an idea to put into words what has bothered me for some time now:

Graal was beyond it's time then. Back then, few MMORPG games exited, requiring expensive costs for credit cards - more or less cutting the european market off like this.
In the beginning, it was free to play and attracted many people, especially fans of old games like 2D Zelda.

What happened?

Slowly, the Market for Free to Play MMORPG's exploded, limiting the playerbase nearly completely to folks interested in development. Furthermore to a point of time, the official interest seemed to slowly vanish, distracting and annoying many more players.
Some examples:

- A Graal3D that never fitted the expectations of the playerbase, "only" leading to torque integration and v3/v4.
- Announced features that have never seen their release, like flying engine.
- More or less complete halt on official development of socalled "Gold Worlds" like GK or Zone, without adapting subscribtion costs to the limited quality.
- Although being kind of a MMORPG SDK, bad treatment of development staff, few updates on staff tools, no possibility to offer free to play content, although you already have to pay for the content being hosted.

I can imagine easily that PC Graal is no Cash Cow at the moment, but if you took the decision to slowly let it die of thirst years ago, it would've been atleast fair to tell us.

But I think I am talking for most people:
Why don't you even attempt bringing bit atleast a bit of attractivity to PC Graal?
A full Free to Play concept, connected with mandatory Mikro Transactions could work wonders, but it seems the time invested on these topics by Eurocenter seems to be insignificant.


It seems that the remains of PC Graal only exist to serve as a mere source of potential cheap designers for IPhone games that sell quite well - I highly doubt that developers who actually created the content get a fair share of the profits.

[Tricxta]

Originally Posted by Darklux

It seems that the remains of PC Graal only exist to serve as a mere source of potential cheap designers for IPhone games that sell quite well - I highly doubt that developers who actually created the content get a fair share of the profits.

I can say being a developer for iEra that we don't get any kind of share of the profits. We're meant to be paid 300 gelats a month as some kind of "thank you" for our contribution of time but not even that happens...
So overall, we don't get any kind of share of the profits nor "thank you". At least we don't have to pay to develop, erhmm yayy!
Being honest, I was never really in it for some kind of reward, I feel my reward is being able to contribute to a game with a semi decent player base but that's where it stops.

[MattKan]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

poorme

At some point you're going to have to learn how to stop *****ing, because believe it or not there's other people who have similar problems to you and are able to keep their mouths shut for longer than 3 days at a time.

[NicoX]

Originally Posted by MattKan

At some point you're going to have to learn how to stop *****ing, because believe it or not there's other people who have similar problems to you and are able to keep their mouths shut for longer than 3 days at a time.

Could someone ban this idiot?

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by MattKan

At some point you're going to have to learn how to stop *****ing, because believe it or not there's other people who have similar problems to you and are able to keep their mouths shut for longer than 3 days at a time.

So at what point have I insinuated that I am the only person frustrated with the lack of support?
Also I had kept my mouth shut as you put it for a very long amount of time, longer than many developers would even remain active for, and have been developing a server since before you even began playing Graal.
I think you're bark... hissing up the wrong tree here.

I would also suggest learning the difference between begging/sympathy seeking and persuasive arguments.