Global Development Team? - Page 6

Elk · #1 08-26-2009, 09:42 PM

I don't have problems with Vulcan anymore, hes nice to me and I like everyone who is nice to me

Spikedude · #2 08-27-2009, 12:01 AM

Bell I'm interested for Ganis. I can also do LAT, GAT, and minor Scripting, but I'd probably only make it for Ganis. I have a Classic subscription.

Bell · #3 08-27-2009, 12:34 AM

Got it Spikedude although I can't seem to update the list in the thread yet.

Inverness, drop it. Its a dead issue and there is no need to continue to argue about it.

Vman13x · #4 08-27-2009, 12:35 AM

Ooh. I hope theres a levels department

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Gambet · #5 08-27-2009, 12:42 AM

For your first assignment you are to make Graal Instant Messenger, with custom gui profiles instead of the ugly blue. Get to it GDT, prove your usefulness!

Inverness · #6 08-27-2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

For your first assignment you are to make Graal Instant Messenger, with custom gui profiles instead of the ugly blue. Get to it GDT, prove your usefulness!

I don't believe that is how the GDT works, assuming such a thing is a worthwhile endeavor.

Gambet · #7 08-27-2009, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

I don't believe that is how the GDT works, assuming such a thing is a worthwhile endeavor.

Why not? Stefan asked on the forums if anyone had made a version of Graal Instant Messenger when people were talking about it in a thread. I mean, what else is the GDT for? A bunch of FAQs?

GIM could actually be used on every server and would hopefully be a million times better than the current PM system, so I don't see why it wouldn't be worthwhile.

_Zelph · #8 08-27-2009, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

GIM could actually be used on every server and would hopefully be a million times better than the current PM system, so I don't see why it wouldn't be worthwhile.

That's already well in the works!

_Zelph · #9 08-27-2009, 12:58 AM

I'd be more interested in joining if I had free time that I felt was sufficient. Sounds like an interesting venture. Best of luck to those who joined the team

Loriel · #10 08-27-2009, 01:06 AM

Clearly first order of priority should be to ensure that everybody has access to adequate development tools~

Inverness · #11 08-27-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Why not? Stefan asked on the forums if anyone had made a version of Graal Instant Messenger when people were talking about it in a thread. I mean, what else is the GDT for? A bunch of FAQs?

I meant that I don't believe the GDT would have projects assigned to it as a whole but rather each member might have their own project they're doing and they could ask for the help of other team members if they want it. Team members or others (like Stefan, PWA, etc.) might suggest projects that any person or group could volunteer to take.

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Originally Posted by Gambet

GIM could actually be used on every server and would hopefully be a million times better than the current PM system, so I don't see why it wouldn't be worthwhile.

I suppose what I meant is that I personally don't see it as a priority. The current PM system quite adequate imho. Perhaps I only say that because I don't use it as often as others.

Of course my opinion isn't stopping some other GDT member from working on it, I'd be happy to contribute my thoughts in that case too.

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Originally Posted by Loriel

Clearly first order of priority should be to ensure that everybody has access to adequate development tools~

On that note, all GDT members should have access to the Testbed Server.

Imperialistic · #12 08-27-2009, 02:51 AM

My understanding of the GDT (Global Development Team) is that it's mostly there for when servers tend to stall on development. Maybe it be Scripting/Graphic or Level wise. That's where the GDT will step in and drop the hammer to help get their production of development on the roll.

See, with the Global Scripting Team, some people needed more development help other than Scripting. So instead of being limited to one department why not expand to help their servers and this game overall to be greater than it already is.

Inverness · #13 08-27-2009, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Imperialistic

My understanding of the GDT (Global Development Team) is that it's mostly there for when servers tend to stall on development. Maybe it be Scripting/Graphic or Level wise. That's where the GDT will step in and drop the hammer to help get their production of development on the roll.

That is certainly what the GDT is for in my opinion. I think this idea of what the GDT is for needs to be ironed out.

Here is a list of what I believe should be the roles of the GDT (incomplete perhaps?):

Create public content that would naturally be used on all servers. The suggested standard script package would be an aspect of this. Along with scripted versions of development tools.
Serve as a bridge between Stefan and Graal's development community. This involves recommending features that are generally desired and creating demonstrations of features that have been added by Stefan.
Serve as advisers to developers and playerworld management. This would involve evaluating content or just giving general tips about development in general. This would also involve helping with topics relating to the mechanics of playerworlds, such as creating gmaps.
Ensure proper documentation of Graal's development aspects. This could be anything from simply GScript documentation to documentation about various level making styles and techniques.

Of course not all team members would be required to do everything. And as Bell said, all members would be free to do whatever they want on their own time, which can be helping playerworlds in need if they choose to do so, but that should not be obligatory. The GDT isn't here to bail-out failing playerworlds, in my humble opinion.

Clockwork · #14 08-27-2009, 07:43 AM

Well, I've applied on part of 2 reasons. Bell had some interesting things to say over PM's, and, Inverness told me to.

So I rethought the situation, and I'd like to help if I'd be allowed.

Also, on this neg rep:

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I have never seen someone be such a jerk. This almost reminds me of when you overreacted after Xor was hired. I wish you could try to handle these things maturely. Vulcan can script, it isn't like he hasn't already helped some servers.

It's mature to leave your name on your comments, coward. I didn't overreact when Xor was hired, I merely argued my opinion that I believed there was no need for another PWA, especially one no one knew, and had stated that I meant no offense to Xor.

Just as well, I never said Vulcan couldn't script or dev.

Sage_Shadowbane · #15 08-27-2009, 10:08 AM

Not sure as to how I never noticed this thread before, but while I have some negative/positive feedback that I would like to input into this thread. I will do it tomorrow after I wake up as it may be a quite extensive statement. But for the most part I can see myself being interested in helping out on this team assuming some unsaid standards will be met.

Bell · #16 08-27-2009, 04:47 PM

Imperialistic and Inverness are both right in their descriptions of some of the duties of the GDT. The reason the details have NOT been ironed out is that I feel very strongly that the team itself should be involved in that process. However, I don't feel it need to be done as publicly as this and am waiting on a private forum for that discussion. My personal opinion is this, if we provide options of interest for all parties involved (within reason of course) then there is a greater chance of success.

With flexibility it will remain fun and interesting. When you start narrowing down options, people grow tired of the tedious nature of it, get bored and quit. With enough involvement there will be room for both group and individual projects while still having the opportunity to help out individual servers with specific problems they are having at that time.

Its been my experience that many new people have gained a lot of experience by having the individual attention from someone with greater knowledge. Much like a tutor would be and there are several people out there willing to do that as long as they aren't stuck in it for eternity.

Rufus · #17 08-27-2009, 06:46 PM

Imperialistic is super moderator on an anti-graal forum and was globally banned for deleting all of Classic's content, I can see why he was accepted.

LordSquirt · #18 08-27-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

Imperialistic is super moderator on an anti-graal forum and was globally banned for deleting all of Classic's content, I can see why he was accepted.

He's not part of the GDT team. I think you misread what Bell wrote. She was agreeing with him on a comment he made, but that doesn't mean he was added.

Rufus · #19 08-27-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LordSquirt

He's not part of the GDT team. I think you misread what Bell wrote. She was agreeing with him on a comment he made, but that doesn't mean he was added.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...&postcount=157

LordSquirt · #20 08-27-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...&postcount=157

Those are only the people interested though. The people who are already in the GDT are here

http://www.graalonline.com/guilds/vi...0&view=members

Rufus · #21 08-27-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LordSquirt

Those are only the people interested though. The people who are already in the GDT are here

http://www.graalonline.com/guilds/vi...0&view=members

Oh okay, I was a few hours early on my post.

Deas_Voice · #22 08-27-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LordSquirt

Those are only the people interested though. The people who are already in the GDT are here

http://www.graalonline.com/guilds/vi...0&view=members

and me ( awaiting to get accepted ).

cyan3 · #23 08-27-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LordSquirt

Those are only the people interested though. The people who are already in the GDT are here

http://www.graalonline.com/guilds/vi...0&view=members

For those that might be interested I've put the updated list of the Global Development Team members under the Graal staff section of the Graal Bible.

http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Crea...velopment_Team

Imperialistic · #24 08-27-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

Imperialistic is super moderator on an anti-graal forum and was globally banned for deleting all of Classic's content, I can see why he was accepted.

I love how you take rumors and make them assumptions Rufus. I appreciate your intiative of caring about me so much to be so worried about what I do.

You can believe whatever you would like to Rufus, I have no worries. You're not the one that is recruiting for the GDT team, no?

As of the deleting all of the Classic's content part, I can already understand that you have no clue what you're talking about, because #1 Only a few levels/graphics and etc was deleted. #2 All of it was explained to the PWA.

Stop trying to act like you have a autobiography on every single one of us.
You make yourself look like a fool.

Inverness · #25 08-27-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Imperialistic

I love how you take rumors and make them assumptions Rufus. I appreciate your intiative of caring about me so much to be so worried about what I do.

You can believe whatever you would like to Rufus, I have no worries. You're not the one that is recruiting for the GDT team, no?

As of the deleting all of the Classic's content part, I can already understand that you have no clue what you're talking about, because #1 Only a few levels/graphics and etc was deleted. #2 All of it was explained to the PWA.

Stop trying to act like you have a autobiography on every single one of us.
You make yourself look like a fool.

In light of this I think an application from you should not be approved until the GDT core group is established and we're able to discuss your application, history, and what exactly the PWA know. I hope that's not asking too much, Bell.

Rufus · #26 08-27-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Imperialistic

I love how you take rumors and make them assumptions Rufus. I appreciate your intiative of caring about me so much to be so worried about what I do.

By this you should mean mean, take things that I've seen myself at face value and present them in a very applicable situation. What I said did not consist of rumors, they're things I've actually seen myself.

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Originally Posted by Imperialistic

As of the deleting all of the Classic's content part, I can already understand that you have no clue what you're talking about, because #1 Only a few levels/graphics and etc was deleted.

Oh my bad, that's totally different! Wait, so you're saying that you deleted every piece of content that you had access to, and that greatly differentiates from my point how?

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Originally Posted by Imperialistic

Stop trying to act like you have a autobiography on every single one of us.
You make yourself look like a fool.

To be quite fair I don't act as though I have an autobiography of anyone because for one that would require you to actually write it, and two I wouldn't even read one of someone as generic as you, it really wouldn't interest me. It's the same old story; kid has very little talent, abuses and deletes all of the content on a server, gets in with what he thinks is the 'in' crowd, leaks their stuff out when it suits them, and isn't trusted by anyone. You're not suited at all for something like this, especially if they're trying to keep a level of decency in their members, a trait that has apparently missed you.

Vulcan · #27 08-27-2009, 09:50 PM

Imperialistic and Rufus,

Both of your points have been taken note of and will be considered during the application process. I would appreciate it if we don't derail the thread too much.

Hiro · #28 08-27-2009, 10:03 PM

rufus, all it took was name value and some development positions on certain servers. if you volunteered to help out at first notice, i'm sure you could have gotten "advanced development" type rank thing (whatever it is)

it's not as if they couldn't use people who in the past have been *******s and have abused their positions, at least they are still somewhat active enough to want to be in such a group like GDT, let alone have any type of hands-on experience; though this isn't to say that i endorse such actions

Rufus · #29 08-27-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro

rufus, all it took was name value and some development positions on certain servers. if you volunteered to help out at first notice, i'm sure you could have gotten "advanced development" type rank thing (whatever it is)

it's not as if they couldn't use people who in the past have been *******s and have abused their positions, at least they are still somewhat active enough to want to be in such a group like GDT, let alone have any type of hands-on experience; though this isn't to say that i endorse such actions

I couldn't care less. What I addressed in my post is a disgraceful thing for anyone to do, and if this game cared for the protection of its users (or in this case, its staff members) then he wouldn't even be allowed to post on the forums never mind volunteer for a global development job. I'm just going to bring it up with Bell.

Vulcan · #30 08-27-2009, 10:06 PM

Skyld has just registered an IRC channel for us on freenode.

irc.freenode.net #graaldt

Inverness · #31 08-27-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro

rufus, all it took was name value and some development positions on certain servers. if you volunteered to help out at first notice, i'm sure you could have gotten "advanced development" type rank thing (whatever it is)

That is incorrect.

Skyld has been global staff for quite some time, which is why he has Advanced Development rank, and Vulcan is former global staff and has quite the history, and also apparently assisted Bell with this. That is good enough for me. And for anyone without such a history, gaining that rank requires time and dedication.

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Originally Posted by Hiro

it's not as if they couldn't use people who in the past have been *******s and have abused their positions, at least they are still somewhat active enough to want to be in such a group like GDT, let alone have any type of hands-on experience; though this isn't to say that i endorse such actions

I would appreciate it if you would at least try to use correct grammar. And let's not start flaming people about their past history, if you have issues with someone bring it up in a thoughtful and logical way either in this thread or over a forum PM.

Hiro · #32 08-27-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

I couldn't care less. What I addressed in my post is a disgraceful thing for anyone to do, and if this game cared for the protection of its users (or in this case, its staff members) then he wouldn't even be allowed to post on the forums never mind volunteer for a global development job. I'm just going to bring it up with Bell.

i agree, but they are still trying to get off the ground - it isn't yet a big enough position that it could be abused really, and it could use all the help it can get. sure some people on that list are sketchy, but if the PWA administers the team good enough then those people will be weeded out

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Originally Posted by Inverness

I would appreciate it if you would at least try to use correct grammar. And let's not start flaming people about their past history, if you have issues with someone bring it up in a thoughtful and logical way either in this thread or over a forum PM.

you obviously didn't understand what i said at all, which i'm sort of surprised about

Inverness · #33 08-27-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiro

you obviously didn't understand what i said at all, which i'm sort of surprised about

I understand exactly what you said, but I'm trying to head off the thread going up in flames. So I say just use forum PMs.

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

Skyld has just registered an IRC channel for us on freenode.

irc.freenode.net #graaldt

And for those without an IRC client handy: http://java.freenode.net/

Loriel · #34 08-27-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Inverness

And for those without an IRC client handy: http://java.freenode.net/

And for those without a Java browser plugin: http://webchat.freenode.net/

Bell · #35 08-27-2009, 11:25 PM

I've already spoken to Rufus so now drop it all and lets get back to what we were doing. While I realize that most of you will have something in your past that could potentially stop you from being added, no others are being added at this time. All future additions will be discussed by the team and the PWA before being added. I still have some research to do on the rest of the people that have put in their voices of interest and some of them will need to complete an application for review. All in good time kids. I'm getting there slow but sure. I'm just also trying to not let accounts support get backed up in the meantime.

Thank you cyan for your help in this, its much appreciated and thanks to skyld and vulcan for getting the irc channel set up. I'll be giving Darlene a list to get you added to global connect today but won't have much time to do much else until Monday as I'm going to be gone.

If any of you have any specific questions or concerns to ask me though, feel free to forum pm me. I'm going to try to check those a few times this weekend. By Monday we should have an application available and are working out the details of where it should be sent.