You're welcome, Eurocenter

[sssssssssss]

To say its our fault that Eurocenter stopped developing for pc graal and that we stepped to far when we develop on servers they offer us to do so on is asinine. If the company was willing to offer the opportunity to do so, that doesn't automatically excempt a service provider and product provider from keeping up with the products and service they still provide, and trying to make them better. It also, being it's pretty much a 2 man group there at Eurocenter, doesn't excuse them from giving a thank you to people who helped keep their product going for free. Not to say it can't happen and people don't do it, just saying we are not the reason; they just don't really care enough.

[cbk1994]

It is more than a bit annoying to see them abandon us even more than before now that they have a chance of making substantial profit, but I know I'm not the only one who can say that Graal has had more influence over my life than almost anything else—my future career will likely involve programming on a regular basis, which is largely thanks to the experience I gained developing on Graal.

It's a complex issue. I don't know where I stand on it.

[Admins]

It's funny to see people complaining that "graal is dieing" but once we get some players the same people say "They scam us" (ok they were doing that before too).
We are trying to hire people from the Graal player base and also create ways for devs to make money by creating or managing servers, this is a work in progress.

[Vinka]

Originally Posted by Stefan

It's funny to see people complaining that "graal is dieing" but once we get some players the same people say "They scam us" (ok they were doing that before too).
We are trying to hire people from the Graal player base and also create ways for devs to make money by creating or managing servers, this is a work in progress.

Great to hear

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Stefan

We are trying to hire people from the Graal player base and also create ways for devs to make money by creating or managing servers, this is a work in progress.

Well, If that's true then if you need a gani artist, thinktank, or just a kind public figure, just let me know for I have an open calendar.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Stefan

It's funny to see people complaining that "graal is dieing" but once we get some players the same people say "They scam us" (ok they were doing that before too).
We are trying to hire people from the Graal player base and also create ways for devs to make money by creating or managing servers, this is a work in progress.

No one is saying you're scamming them. I think it's a matter of appreciation, or the lack of.

[papajchris]

Originally Posted by Stefan

It's funny to see people complaining that "graal is dieing" but once we get some players the same people say "They scam us" (ok they were doing that before too).
We are trying to hire people from the Graal player base and also create ways for devs to make money by creating or managing servers, this is a work in progress.

Where are these players? They certainly aren't on PC graal. And what makes you think that Facebook graal will be a hit? This isn't 2001 anymore, there are THOUSANDS of other games like graal - with better graphics, support, and communities.

If you new anything at all about running a business, you would know that communication with your clients is essential. It's great you and Uni decided to drop by this week, but what about next week or the week after? You shouldn't be an impossible person to reach. Imagine if the Obama administration just went silent. The U.S. would be in the dark and I am sure much conspiracies and chaos would arise. The same is happening here. Want people to think Graal is alive? Give us an update once in a while, or heres one we can all agree on - Answer the ****ing question in the thread you post in. All to many times you ignore the main question of a topic. (Someone called Uni out on that earlier in this thread.) Use those things between your legs and people will begin to respect you once more.

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by papajchris

Where are these players? They certainly aren't on PC graal. And what makes you think that Facebook graal will be a hit? This isn't 2001 anymore, there are THOUSANDS of other games like graal - with better graphics, support, and communities.

If Angry Birds, Farmville, other "crappy" flash games can be hits. I believe Graal is just as able especially considering a lot of Graal's success is related to the social aspect of it and basically one of the only reasons it's still around today.

[0PiX0]

Originally Posted by Stefan

We are trying to hire people from the Graal player base and also create ways for devs to make money by creating or managing servers, this is a work in progress.

This is news. I look forward to hearing more about this.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Stefan

It's funny to see people complaining that "graal is dieing" but once we get some players the same people say "They scam us" (ok they were doing that before too).
We are trying to hire people from the Graal player base and also create ways for devs to make money by creating or managing servers, this is a work in progress.

I think it's less about payment and more about the fact you're so detached from the developing community. You don't work with them as fellow Graal developers. You're not always here seeing what's being worked on and helping to push it along with your authority or giving them any sort of real help, there's no constantly being around to see what sort of things they need and what type of updates they - the lifeblood of Graal - prioritize. And then when updates like this come around, there's not even so much as a nod in the direction of the people who are really responsible, the ones who have been keeping Graal playable for nothing while you were off seeing how best to milk it.

You manage it like an already finished developing platform that no longer needs updates and marketing it like a kiddie, time-wasting game.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by kia345

You manage it like an already finished developing platform that no longer needs updates

We are updating it several times each month (server-updates), moving it to faster machines, working on a new much improved client version etc.

[papajchris]

Originally Posted by Stefan

We are updating it several times each month (server-updates), moving it to faster machines, working on a new much improved client version etc.

I personally experience more lag than i recall in the past

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by Stefan

We are trying to hire people from the Graal player base and also create ways for devs to make money by creating or managing servers, this is a work in progress.

I guess I'll wait for this to be implemented before I start working on my server then.

If I can earn even just $100 a day from Graal that'll probably be enough to get me to quit my current job and work on a server full time.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

I guess I'll wait for this to be implemented before I start working on my server then.

If I can earn even just $100 a day from Graal that'll probably be enough to get me to quit my current job and work on a server full time.

LOL. $100 a day? That's a hell of a lot of money, and the way you're so casual about it... LOL. "I'd be happy with only $100 a day. I could buy bread with that. Stale bread, but bread."

LOL.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

LOL. $100 a day? That's a hell of a lot of money, and the way you're so casual about it... LOL. "I'd be happy with only $100 a day. I could buy bread with that. Stale bread, but bread."

LOL.

A server with 1000 players per day would only need 1/3 of those players to spend $1 per day for a 30% cut to make about $100 a day.
If you're managing/developing full time (8 hours a day) 7 days a week then $700 a week only works out to be about $12.50 an hour.