Why has the playercount dropped so dramatically?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Liberated

everyone should just start helping out on AEON, that should increase playercountr drastically, once it's finished atleast.

It's basically a playerworld that tries to have multiple playerworlds in one playerworld. Right?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Crono

It's basically a playerworld that tries to have multiple playerworlds in one playerworld. Right?

That actually sounds fun.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

That actually sounds fun.

To me it just sounds redundant and I can imagine quantity over quality really playing a role there.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

That actually sounds fun.

It sounds fun but Stefan won't allow it to be 4 separate worlds. It has to be tied together as a past/present/future thing or basically they are just paying for one server in order to develop 4.

I'm not saying that is what they are doing. I'm just basically warning people who have their mental gears churning that this is not allowed.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Bell

It sounds fun but Stefan won't allow it to be 4 separate worlds. It has to be tied together as a past/present/future thing or basically they are just paying for one server in order to develop 4.

I'm not saying that is what they are doing. I'm just basically warning people who have their mental gears churning that this is not allowed.

I was assuming they would all be tied in together, hopefully. Still sounds like fun to me.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Liberated

everyone should just start helping out on AEON, that should increase playercountr drastically, once it's finished atleast.

I highly doubt it's going to bring in new players. All that's going to do is pull the player base from other servers to Aeon. Focus on bringing new players in, not existing players to new servers.

Also, we all can agree there are too many servers compared to the amount of developers Graal has, but playerworlds are a really good source of money for CJ so I don't think any restrictions will be put on it.

I skipped a few pages of reading before making this post so disregard anything I've said if it's been said already.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Liberated

everyone should just start helping out on AEON, that should increase player count drastically, once it's finished atleast.

That will only help AEON's player count. No other servers, then we will be in the same situation where only a few select servers (1-4) have a high, or even decent player count.

[Rufus]

Having 4 worlds on 1 playerworld? Even the majority of the servers with high playercounts have single overworlds that are too big, 4 different worlds is stretching it.

[Hatred89]

Originally Posted by Crono

To me it just sounds redundant and I can imagine quantity over quality really playing a role there.

Eh, sorry I am going to have to correct you on that one. Trust me the reason we have been on the hosted tab longer then anyone else is because we have been constantly improving the quality of our work.

Also we are not far off from being ready to apply for classic tab once more and I do mean truly ready.

Originally Posted by Bell

It sounds fun but Stefan won't allow it to be 4 separate worlds. It has to be tied together as a past/present/future thing or basically they are just paying for one server in order to develop 4.

I'm not saying that is what they are doing. I'm just basically warning people who have their mental gears churning that this is not allowed.

Ah, Bell by the time you make your next visit a lot will have changed and it won't seem like four servers tossed into one. Everything will be linked together but I can't say anything more then that b/c I don't want to spoil anything.

Originally Posted by Rufus

Having 4 worlds on 1 playerworld? Even the majority of the servers with high playercounts have single overworlds that are too big, 4 different worlds is stretching it.

Well I mean take a glance at Graal Kingdoms they have multiple gmaps. Plus the thing with other server is they are only targeting one audience and our server will target the majority of everyone who plays graal. So the multiple maps we have won't seem so big at all.

Anyhow the only reason we have been taking so long is because like I guess Bell said ealier alot of players on graal have ADD and we go from having everyone working to people taking a break sometimes but that has changed. Trust me people will be amazed once we release. We are working on a lot of new things that graal hasn't seen before. Just because we might have four different worlds with similar themes being already on the classic tab doesn't mean we are going in the exact direction as those servers.

I know I am a bit late to posting but I don't read the forums that often.

[Bell]

The new rules won't automatically rule out servers that have similarities such as with N-Pulse/Zodiac. We will also be considering the differences as well. There will always be similar things in servers. If we became that nitpicky it would mean a complete halt of progression. Only one server with mining and farming, one with guild wars, one with skills and character creation. We wish to improve servers not halt their production completely.

Tig has suggested having 25 non graphically related differences for Hosted tab. I feel that may be overboard and think it may be too restrictive for servers just intending to give a preview of their server but I'm sure we'll work out those details with a little time.

[Desear]

Don't know what exactly has been said, but I agree with the too many player worlds, and such with Bells' post, but also a reason why player count is down, is because school has started back up, and a lot of players may not have time to play, or can't.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

This is bit late, but describe 'development inactivity' in regards to a situations like Valikorlia's.

Each server will receive a review to determine exactly what its particular issue is. We will then discuss it and decide on an appropriate course of action and if there is anything in particular the PWA may be able to do to help. Not every case will be the same naturally and individual guidelines haven't been set yet.

Originally Posted by Desear

Don't know what exactly has been said, but I agree with the too many player worlds, and such with Bells' post, but also a reason why player count is down, is because school has started back up, and a lot of players may not have time to play, or can't.

That will naturally be considered but is usually temporary. When school starts or there are final exams all servers have a lull at the same time. The servers we'll be reviewing already have a long term problem that isn't related to school.

[Pimmeh]

Originally Posted by Bell

Each server will receive a review to determine exactly what its particular issue is. We will then discuss it and decide on an appropriate course of action and if there is anything in particular the PWA may be able to do to help. Not every case will be the same naturally and individual guidelines haven't been set yet.



That will naturally be considered but is usually temporary. When school starts or there are final exams all servers have a lull at the same time. The servers we'll be reviewing already have a long term problem that isn't related to school.

But how will you guys be addressing the lack of development being done right now? The problem is indeed outdated content, but also the lack of new content being created. I am making slow progress trying to make my server, most primarily because I dont really trust anyone else to make the plans that me and my team (consisting of Codein and Steve) come into reality.

Of course, there is a certain group of renowned developers (Forum users seems to be a synonym here) that I would trust with working on my project, but all of these people have visions of their own, and even though I try to help them out, I find myself unable to keep my attention at their projects for long. I name Ziro, because initially I was into quite some design for Maloria.

The thing is, attention fades when its content being made by gamers, and it sometimes disturbs me, and I think I can be honest if I say that I speak for a majority of the graal players, that the people who spearhead all of Graal, the PWA team and Stefan, haven't taken credit or shown any of the work that is being done.

Instead of clearing outdated content, we should rather replace if with new stuff. The PWA's often develop, right? Tig, TSA, and although your field of expertise is unknown to me, Bell, I believe that every single PWA team member can do a lot to help out the graal community with stuff.
This has to be my smartest post ever.
I am not trying to diss you guys, because I have seen a lot of stuff that has been progressing in the past two months, on all kinds of projects, and I hope that this creativity will soar still as it does. (Puppetmaster, Maloria, N-Pulse) But right now I am wandering what you will doing to push development, rather then pull it.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Pimmeh

But how will you guys be addressing the lack of development being done right now? The problem is indeed outdated content, but also the lack of new content being created. I am making slow progress trying to make my server, most primarily because I dont really trust anyone else to make the plans that me and my team (consisting of Codein and Steve) come into reality.

We can't force developers to sit at their computers every waking hour and develop. If they have the interest and the drive, they will do it themselves. By setting the standards a little higher maybe it will motivate them to do more than just "get by with whats acceptable and stop working."

We will be taking into consideration how many people are actually working on a server and not be penalizing those that have two people vs 10. That would be entirely unfair and I don't want anyone asking for help from people they don't trust. That just leads to problems along the way. There will be no exact rules regarding how much needs to be done between reviews due to the fact that some things develop quickly while others take much more time to not only make but be sure that it works properly.

The thing is, attention fades when its content being made by gamers, and it sometimes disturbs me, and I think I can be honest if I say that I speak for a majority of the graal players, that the people who spearhead all of Graal, the PWA team and Stefan, haven't taken credit or shown any of the work that is being done.

If you're referring to doing the playerworld reviews on the forums again, I agree. Those with promise need to be given some hype to generate interest. There are some minor issues with that though in that many of them don't want any form of formal reviews for fear that someone else will steal their idea before they have their server done. Houdini had decided to start doing them again shortly before he left and I'm sure its something we'll do in the future again but not without the owners permission first. For now they are free to showcase their own servers when they feel they are ready for public comment.

Instead of clearing outdated content, we should rather replace if with new stuff.

Nothing was said about clearing it, we are encouraging updating it and adding new ideas to it.

The PWA's often develop, right? Tig, TSA, and although your field of expertise is unknown to me, Bell, I believe that every single PWA team member can do a lot to help out the graal community with stuff.

The role of a PWA is not to develop servers, something I'm sure is often misunderstood. We are the mediators of Graal basically. We have other duties of course, such as stepping in temporarily if a manager decides to have a mental breakdown or inspecting servers for stolen content.

My past expertise has been in the GP field even though I have done some very minor development work. I compare my stuff to being GS1 compared to the capabilities of GS2 though so obviously don't lay claim to being godly in any way. I do not script at all even though I can often spot abusive scripts, if that makes any sense. Tig and TSA of course can script so often help out servers with issues they are having. This is not something they have to do but they want to do in order to help out where they can. They are but 2 people though so we can't expect them to go script someones server idea just because someone thinks their idea is a good one but is unable to find their own staff.

This has to be my smartest post ever.

I agree, you're actually asking good questions instead of just complaining

I am not trying to diss you guys, because I have seen a lot of stuff that has been progressing in the past two months, on all kinds of projects, and I hope that this creativity will soar still as it does. (Puppetmaster, Maloria, N-Pulse) But right now I am wandering what you will doing to push development, rather then pull it.

I, at least take nothing personally and I home that my fellow PWA's are the same so no diss percieved. I also have noticed a large influx of development thats coming close to its completion point and am looking forward to being asked to inspect it from my expert noobish viewpoint. Trust me, I am the ultimate noob when it comes to server play. Ask anyone thats ever followed me around during an inspection and they'll tell you I ask even the most basic questions regarding gameplay If its good stuff then I'm sure you'll all hear the words of encouragement for them to continue.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Bell

We can't force developers to sit at their computers every waking hour and develop. If they have the interest and the drive, they will do it themselves. By setting the standards a little higher maybe it will motivate them to do more than just "get by with whats acceptable and stop working."

There are ways.