Trials...

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

Should also remember that it's not our job to make Graal money.

But that's how they want it to be.

[cbk1994]

Advertise on the iPhone server that anyone who upgrades can be an admin and we'll have 3000 more players overnight.

[Elk]

Originally Posted by KrimsonSky

it sucks, but I'm def' not wasting anymore money on this game... [i.e $230+...lol'able? I think so! ]

I think the only server that has been lenient on trials, is Era.
Screw obv mode.

But the only problem I have with being a trial is the head thing... I should be able to wear the head[s] I made ....

Because lord knows this guy isn't becoming gold anytime in the near future.

Yo opinion on trials and what they should get, or shouldn't have.

I gave out +700$ for this game over the years...but since I'm lifetime p2p, I live with this...not bothering any upgrades anymore or such

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Elk

I gave out +700$ for this game over the years...such

That's pretty sad.

[Dnegel]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

That's pretty sad.

Indeed.

Shouldn't be allowed too use so much on one game.

[kia345]

elk paid for my new shoes

[Chakrah]

whenever i was about 9 years old i told my mom i'd be make an A+ on my spelling test on friday and if i did she'd buy me a p2p.
trufax.

[KrimsonSky]

Originally Posted by Chakrah

whenever i was about 9 years old i told my mom i'd be make an A+ on my spelling test on friday and if i did she'd buy me a p2p.
trufax.

Cool story bro,

back on topic please.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Chakrah

whenever i was about 9 years old i told my mom i'd be make an A+ on my spelling test on friday and if i did she'd buy me a p2p.
trufax.

Weird, I just had to help my dad do some runescape mining for mine lolz.

edit: 600th post.

[fowlplay4]

If Graal was actually developed to the same calibre as other P2P MMOs, I could agree to some extent that a limited day trial could be successful here but it's not and if they did implement that it would eventually drive away at least 80% of the Trials who are playing currently after forcing them to upgrade.

Graal Administration has already pissed off it's customer base before, there's no point in them doing it again and that's just what that payment model will do.

[emoman]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

if they did implement that it would eventually drive away at least 80% of the Trials who are playing currently after forcing them to upgrade.

So ? At the moment from what I can see on Zodiac and Era those trials have it made. They have very few restrictions that can stop them from having as much fun as us gold/classic players. No level cap on Zodiac, they can make just as much money as us, no observer mode at all. One of the only main things they can't do is change up their player looks and mass message.

You are right that it will tick off most of those trials and perhaps slice our player count, but most of those trials are from the Iphone server anyway.
I just think graal needs to expand it's advertising to different people. 2D Zelda like gaming isn't popular with a lot of gamers, most of the servers are populated with 18+ P2Ps that only play because of nostalgia from older graal

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by emoman

So ? At the moment from what I can see on Zodiac and Era those trials have it made.

I don't know about Zodiac but on Era there are a lot of restrictions on trials. Trials can't join gangs/businesses/parties, raid, use powerful guns, use cars, or level their HP, among others.

You are right that it will tick off most of those trials and perhaps slice our player count, but most of those trials are from the Iphone server anyway.

Which makes it perfectly fine to scare them off.

[emoman]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Which makes it perfectly fine to scare them off.

I didn't mean it like that at all.
Since most of them probably pay for the Classic Iphone features, they are probably intrigued with graal and wanted to try out the bigger and better PC version. Witch is great because in a way we are expanding the market, but the trial restrictions are a little confusing.

I didn't know much about the restrictions to Era when it comes to trials but on Zodiac (witch is a very popular server for both trials and p2ps) they can do so much and like you just said for Era, they can't do that much.
So back to my main point

Originally Posted by emoman

Why don't we just do what most pay-to-play MMOs do ? set them up with a 5-7 days of gold with no restrictions, actually give meaning to the word trial

If we did this correctly, there would be no need for unbalanced restrictions, they would get a taste of graal with full benefits and what not.
BUT we do have the major problem of scaring the trials away like you and Crono said.
Either way I'm just tossing around an opinion

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by fowlplay4

If Graal was actually developed to the same calibre as other P2P MMOs, I could agree to some extent that a limited day trial could be successful here but it's not and if they did implement that it would eventually drive away at least 80% of the Trials who are playing currently after forcing them to upgrade.

Graal Administration has already pissed off it's customer base before, there's no point in them doing it again and that's just what that payment model will do.

I agree with your sentiment, however, it does kind of illustrate a portion of the problem regarding the current system: Many recently upgraded members have upgraded because they believed they would have more to do and to look forward to than reality actually permits. Instead, often times they're ridiculed and driven away by obscene players, inept and/or abusive server staff, and lack of progressive, integration-based content on each server. Upgrading doesn't grant much in the way of permissions or customization for the new player on the default-end. In essence they've sometimes paid only to find themselves unable to do much of anything and subsequently miss out on the more fun aspects of Graal. Add to that constant harassment and lack of help and the mindset becomes "Wow I just spent how much to save stats I'll never get at the luxury of having no 'Wait Time'. " This is a very destructive business model.

Classic and Gold servers specifically should be providing more ways to get potential subscribers to want to stay as well. They're (including my own server for that matter) contributing equally to the lack of new players simply by not doing this through a variety of ways.

In short, between the illogical business model and the lackluster server staff and/or content, we're continuously dooming ourselves to defeat.

[KrimsonSky]

Originally Posted by Cloven

In short, between the illogical business model and the lackluster server staff and/or content, we're continuously dooming ourselves to defeat.

Which leads to the question,

why do we have to pay to play it.

I say leave it to 1 fee, or bring it back to Gold servers = Subscription and Classic playerworlds = lifetime.