Test bed server revival

[JohnnyChimpo]

Originally Posted by scriptless

I believe NicoX was also trying to do this. There are some problems tho. The way testbed was structured would be to big of a pain in the butt to rescript. And getting backups, well we all know how long Stefan takes. That being said I believe it's already being revived.

I need to get together with NicoX then to see if we can't help each other. I have an idea which greatly simplifies the structure. The design promotes tools that can be written outside of the Graal environment. And everything is backed up through github or one of the like. T request I have that my users must abide by. All code that is written on the testbed will be open source.

[Elk]

Originally Posted by JohnnyChimpo

All code that is written on the testbed will be open source.

Sounds fishy...

So you basically want a resource of free work for some greedy guy

[JohnnyChimpo]

Originally Posted by Elk

Sounds fishy...

So you basically want a resource of free work for some greedy guy

Who is the greedy guy? I don't understand your comment. If you are suggesting that open source is for greedy people then this is the last time I respond to you.

[scriptless]

Originally Posted by JohnnyChimpo

Who is the greedy guy? I don't understand your comment. If you are suggesting that open source is for greedy people then this is the last time I respond to you.

I think he is implying that with everything being open source it will be a heaven for people wanting to make a server whom cannot find scripters which, ask anyone, are hard to find as it is. It will be to tempting for people not to just go on copy scripts paste them to there server. Which honestly I am not against anyone who wants to do that. I do however strongly caution doing so as things might not be scripted to the most compatible, or flexible, way for your server.

That being said it does offer an easy way to learn off other peoples scripts. I remember starting out I would look at other peoples scripts and make changes and see what happens until I learned what functions do what. The other problem is you wont have privacy to work on your own scripts that you might not want to share with others, or if then implemented on your server you lose some security since people will know your scripts inside-out like the back of there hands.

I guess people feel that completely open source.. is kinda sketchy. The old testbed had public, and private, scripts you got to chose if you wanted to share or not which is personally what I prefer.

[JohnnyChimpo]

IMHO GS2, Graal script in general is pretty wonky. There are only a few people that actually know this language in and out. This is something I want to improve.

I honestly don't recommend taking any scripts from a testbed and using them in a production server. As these scripts are going to be produced by people that have little to no experience scripting they should be used for learning purposes only.

If you are at the level where you are creating scripts for a server, then maybe you should go get yourself one. While your at it take some people from the testbed that you have created a relationship with coding side by side for x amount of time. This will make me smile!

Lastly, my hope is that allowing code to be seen by others will spark some intelligent conversation and code review. This in its end result will allow this community to grow, and grow together respectfully.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Elk

Sounds fishy...

So you basically want a resource of free work for some greedy guy

Open-source projects are the best way to move Graal as a whole forward and improve upon our current technologies. The Code Gallery is a prime example of that.

It doesn't mean everyone is working on things for the benefit of one person. They would be working to learn, and to help others.



Instead of having to go through and privatize each and every new script that comes along, simply put a disclaimer on the server that lets people know that the work they submit there may be re-used by others. If they're that sensitive about people using their work for different purposes, they can rent a private server themselves and do that work elsewhere. Besides, more than half of the scripts on the old testbed server were usually things like staff boot and bank scripts, or other things like that which are easy to replicate.

As a community, we should try to build on the more groundbreaking ideas, like editors and other tools that allow people to get work done faster. And open-sourcing all of the scripts would be a good way to do so. As Scriptless mentioned, really good scripters and code are often hard to come by, and it would be fantastic to have a server that stands as an archive of all the great work we've done. Because, like it or not, people come and go, and when they go, sometimes really fantastic stuff gets lost forever.

[JohnnyChimpo]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Open-source projects are the best way to move Graal as a whole forward and improve upon our current technologies. The Code Gallery is a prime example of that.

It doesn't mean everyone is working on things for the benefit of one person. They would be working to learn, and to help others.



Instead of having to go through and privatize each and every new script that comes along, simply put a disclaimer on the server that lets people know that the work they submit there may be re-used by others. If they're that sensitive about people using their work for different purposes, they can rent a private server themselves and do that work elsewhere. Besides, more than half of the scripts on the old testbed server were usually things like staff boot and bank scripts, or other things like that which are easy to replicate.

As a community, we should try to build on the more groundbreaking ideas, like editors and other tools that allow people to get work done faster. And open-sourcing all of the scripts would be a good way to do so. As Scriptless mentioned, really good scripters and code are often hard to come by, and it would be fantastic to have a server that stands as an archive of all the great work we've done. Because, like it or not, people come and go, and when they go, sometimes really fantastic stuff gets lost forever.

Well said sir. If this community wants to survive we need to work together. Start talking about what we can do instead of shutting down ideas because of personal opinion.

I am glad that Nico is reviving the testbed and if he needs my help I'll be more than willing.

[wilikas]

Some iEra staff are working on an Era themed Testbed-esque server.

Still working on the systems and such.