Graal v6 Open Beta

[Masa]

I have reason to believe that there is a problem with the speed system sending false-positives regarding speedhacking to RC.

I just got jailed for 30 days on Era for attempting to carry 2.9k plain donuts to be sprinkled.
Apparently, it flagged that I was trying to hack my speed and given my jail/ban record, it isn't easy to prove that I didn't do it.

Basically I just picked up a bunch of donuts, decreasing my walkspeed from about 1.08 to 0.33. I attempted to walk toward a table to "sprinkle" the donuts. Something triggered ToRC saying I was hacking my speed.
"Masa (Masa) has been caught hacking his/her speed [delta: 9.615432977]"

Should a fix be found, make it a priority to unjail me.

Specs:
MacBook Pro
Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.53 GHz
4GB Ram
Running on Snow Leopard OS/X 10.6.4

There's my v6 Beta test-run.
On a positive note, it does run smoother!

[Enchanted Wolf XxX]

Originally Posted by Masa

I have reason to believe that there is a problem with the speed system sending false-positives regarding speedhacking to RC.

I just got jailed for 30 days on Era for attempting to carry 2.9k plain donuts to be sprinkled.

There's your problem. Era.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Masa

"Masa (Masa) has been caught hacking his/her speed [delta: 9.615432977]"

The message means your client is running faster than it should be (it's designed to detect people using programs like !xSpeed).

It took 9.615 seconds to trigger your client, run a 10 second timer, and send the results back to the server. Logically, this process should take >10 seconds, but false-positives do happen because timers are never 100% precise.

So unless for some reason 10 second timers are finishing way before 10 seconds with v6, I doubt this is a bug with the client. Era staff need to take a look at logs to see if it was just a one time thing, or if you were frequently beating the 10 seconds.

[JinChill]

I love v6. Has reduced my lag tremendously. The only thing i don't like about it is the player list I think the player list before was sexy

[xAndrewx]

Originally Posted by salesman

The message means your client is running faster than it should be (it's designed to detect people using programs like !xSpeed).

It took 9.615 seconds to trigger your client, run a 10 second timer, and send the results back to the server. Logically, this process should take >10 seconds, but false-positives do happen because timers are never 100% precise.

So unless for some reason 10 second timers are finishing way before 10 seconds with v6, I doubt this is a bug with the client. Era staff need to take a look at logs to see if it was just a one time thing, or if you were frequently beating the 10 seconds.

Yeah I did the logs and only once did it do this, I did try to explain but I don't think Chris understands

[Masa]

I do understand, but there has to be some explanation.
Dead serious, I wasn't doing anything other than carrying donuts; no third-party program was involved. I'm kind of at a catch-22, here, because it seems there is no way out of it, other than considering the improbable.

I mean c'mon, I have no reason at all to speed up the "sprinkle donut" process.
Drop logs of the time I picked up the donuts would coincide with the ToRC flag, yes?
That's all I got, man.

Since it did only happen on v6, I figured it was an issue with the client.
If the detector just happened to "slip-up", I guess I'm just up the creek with no paddle.

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by Masa

I do understand, but there has to be some explanation.
Dead serious, I wasn't doing anything other than carrying donuts; no third-party program was involved. I'm kind of at a catch-22, here, because it seems there is no way out of it, other than considering the improbable.

I mean c'mon, I have no reason at all to speed up the "sprinkle donut" process.
Drop logs of the time I picked up the donuts would coincide with the ToRC flag, yes?
That's all I got, man.

Since it did only happen on v6, I figured it was an issue with the client.
If the detector just happened to "slip-up", I guess I'm just up the creek with no paddle.

sales stupid speed detection banned me for 30 days when i used to overclock my computer, so then i had to uninstall that overclock program that never had anyproblems the 4 years prior

[MrDumbledore]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

sales stupid speed detection banned me for 30 days when i used to overclock my computer, so then i had to uninstall that overclock program that never had anyproblems the 4 years prior

So you had a program that sped up Graal but didn't affect other programs? Cool. The speed detection would only detect if it was speeding up Graal. Overclocking doesn't speed up the framerate of general programs unless you're doing it wrong. More about Era's speed hack detection can be found here.

[MrDumbledore]

Originally Posted by Masa

I have reason to believe that there is a problem with the speed system sending false-positives regarding speedhacking to RC.

I just got jailed for 30 days on Era for attempting to carry 2.9k plain donuts to be sprinkled.
Apparently, it flagged that I was trying to hack my speed and given my jail/ban record, it isn't easy to prove that I didn't do it.

Basically I just picked up a bunch of donuts, decreasing my walkspeed from about 1.08 to 0.33. I attempted to walk toward a table to "sprinkle" the donuts. Something triggered ToRC saying I was hacking my speed.
"Masa (Masa) has been caught hacking his/her speed [delta: 9.615432977]"

Should a fix be found, make it a priority to unjail me.

You are correct, this is a false-positive which has been reported to Stefan (and which he's acknowledged).

On Mac (and possibly Linux), when you resize the client it increases the FPS so the interface elements move smoothly rather than moving jaggedly since they move at a slower FPS than the OS. This causes it to catch the increased FPS and call you a speed hacker. Point the Era staff to the post below (or this one) and I'm sure they'll unban you.

Originally Posted by cbk1994

When you resize the Graal window, Graal appears to run at a higher frame rate in order to create smooth resizing with GUI controls (using vertSizing and such). As a result, scheduleEvent and possibly other time commands run faster than Graal's 20 FPS.

I was caught by Era's speed hacking protection, which involves the server sending a message to the client, the client waiting 10 seconds (scheduleevent), and the client then returning the message. If the time is significantly less than 10 seconds, it's considered to be a speed hacker.

Skyld can also confirm with the Era staff as he's tested it with Chris.

e: I contacted Era staff and they've unbanned you.