Graal Advertising

LoneAngelIbesu · #1 01-20-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

He is right, though.

No, he's not. There's no obligation to advertise on the part of GraalOnline. None, whatsoever.

If you like the game, then you advertise it. If you want the game to succeed, then you need to help it succeed. Get your lips of the royal teat and take some damn responsibility for your own gameplay. This isn't WoW. This is user-driven community. So, start driving.

Crono · #2 01-20-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

No, he's not. There's no obligation to advertise on the part of GraalOnline. None, whatsoever.

I was referring more to:

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We are not the Marketing Agency, we are not getting paid. We should not have to market graal to others

With the following usually applying to, like, any successful MMORPG:

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- that should be done by Graal/Cyberjourners.

LoneAngelIbesu · #3 01-20-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

I was referring more to:
With the following usually applying to, like, any successful MMORPG:

That's exactly what I was referring to, too. We are the marketing agency. We are the advertising agency. GraalOnline doesn't make this game, we do. The sooner you people stop denying responsibility, the sooner this game will get better.

Crono · #4 01-20-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

We are the marketing agency. We are the advertising agency. GraalOnline doesn't make this game, we do

No we're not, and the fact that we are and have been "making this game" should be highly appreciated and more of a novelty, since it's their job to begin with (especially since they started charging people to play on playermade servers and offer very little on their own servers).

Stephen · #5 01-20-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

No we're not, and the fact that we are and have been "making this game" should be highly appreciated and more of a novelty, since it's their job to begin with (especially since they started charging people to play on playermade servers and offer very little on their own servers).

Well, it's certainly not our responsibility to advertise their product - but their product seems to be where you're confused (and, undoubtedly, they are as well); they provide a service for people interested in developing games. They provide the servers, the manager tools, the administration, the community to help you, and the environment to develop in.

Sadly, they have lost sight of their game entirely in an attempt to branch their market - essentially thinning their community due to a lack of control and quality updates.

It's not our responsibility, but if a group of us are interested there is certainly nothing to stop us from persuing Graal advertising in our own time. I've run a series of "Graal Online" adWord campaigns to get an idea of Graal's advertising potential. I only put ~$10 a month into it and there was a bit of interest. With highly optimized ads, and a larger budget (~$400/mo) we could certainly see perceptible results.

I've set up the means to measure the result, too. I have been monitoring player actively through a series of MySQL database and logging utilities. The front end needs to be optimized (outdated clunky code atm) but the back end is healthy.

Crono · #6 01-20-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Sadly, they have lost sight of their game

Indeed and it seems everyone who's been calling it a service first and game second has too.

Stephen · #7 01-21-2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Crono

Indeed and it seems everyone who's been calling it a service first and game second has too.

In my opinion it is a service first and a game second - however, the service side is maturely developed where the game side needs more (official) attention. I don't think we need another server, just better support; I don't know about Zone, but I can definitely say that GK has been poorly supported by Cyberjoueurs for years.

Zeltino · #8 01-21-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu

That's exactly what I was referring to, too. We are the marketing agency. We are the advertising agency. GraalOnline doesn't make this game, we do. The sooner you people stop denying responsibility, the sooner this game will get better.

We aren't the marketing agency. We aren't the advertising agency. We aren't any of that.

We are the customers. We are Cyberjourner Clientele. We should NOT have to develop, advertise, and market Graal ourselves to make it succeed. Cyberjourners should be doing that. It's their JOB. We are not getting paid to develop. We are not getting paid to advertise, and we are not getting paid to market Graal. They are. This is a Business. We are part of that business as customers, not employee's.

I mean, I may be sounding harsh, but it's the truth. I'm not here to play Tiddly-wings.

xXziroXx · #9 01-21-2009, 04:54 PM

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We should NOT have to develop, advertise, and market Graal ourselves to make it succeed.

They might feel they have succeeded with their game just by making it available for people to play around with an engine.

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Cyberjourners should be doing that. It's their JOB.

No, it's not. Their job is to provide the service and tools, and to ensure it stays functional.

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We are not getting paid to develop.

No, because we PAY to develop. It's a hobby, plain and simple, and no one is forcing you to do it. Cyberjoeurs charge for their server and bandwith, like any other hosting company.

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We are not getting paid to advertise, and we are not getting paid to market Graal.

No, but if you want your server - your hobby - to become successful, you would advertise to see that happen.

Rufus · #10 01-21-2009, 06:18 PM

Okay what the hell?

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They might feel they have succeeded with their game just by making it available for people to play around with an engine.

You're using conflicting terms here. Graal isn't an engine and therefore a game. It is being sold as a game on the website and as far as anyone is concerned, member or not, it is trying to be a game. The engine might be used on Graal, but that is something they use a different title for when referring to it, and a different website for when they're selling it.

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No, it's not. Their job is to provide the service and tools, and to ensure it stays functional.

Incorrect. As it is a game and not an open source project, it is their job to provide in every aspect of their product.

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No, but if you want your server - your hobby - to become successful, you would advertise to see that happen.

There is a difference between developing as a hobby and developing towards a successful server, and there's different reasoning behind both. You make no money from your servers, and every server as a collective is making up this so-called game. Server staff should certainly not be expected to provide advertising as well as game content, that is just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by alexandralove

CyberJOUEURS plz ? that's french

(cyber is english, but joueurs= plural of joueur = a player so cyberjoueurs = cyberplayers)

Stop being pedantic. The spelling of what he was talking about had little significance to what he was actually trying to say, and you completely ignored it and tried to look smart. Good job, you just looked like an ass.

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Originally Posted by alexandralove

Btw, I bet they could make a nice advertising campaign if they had a better website, as said before.

It is becoming increasingly aparent that you guys are not aware of what an advertising campaign is. Sure the website is important as a marketing tool as well as everything else, but what do you think you're advertising?

Soala · #11 01-21-2009, 06:24 PM

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