Why euro?

[Mursle]

I wasn't sure if this could go here but I use my innishative for once...

I was just wondeirng what other peoples opinion on the new Euro system. My personal opinion is that its pretty stupid because it costs people more money. (Only costs me an extra £10 but to americans its round about $20)

Also the Euro is not as recognised as the dollar so most people can relate better to the dollar than the euro. (For example I know that for £1 you get round about $2)

Anyways I was just wondering what all you thought of this,

Mursle

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Mursle

I wasn't sure if this could go here but I use my innishative for once...

I was just wondeirng what other peoples opinion on the new Euro system. My personal opinion is that its pretty stupid because it costs people more money. (Only costs me an extra £10 but to americans its round about $20)

Also the Euro is not as recognised as the dollar so most people can relate better to the dollar than the euro. (For example I know that for £1 you get round about $2)

Anyways I was just wondering what all you thought of this,

Mursle

Why Euro? The euro is the current currency of 21 european countries.

[kia345]

And the American dollar is the currency of the majority of the Graal users

[Mursle]

Originally Posted by Sam

Why Euro? The euro is the current currency of 21 european countries.

Not in my country :P and also I was saying that the Dollar is more widely known than the Euro and can be easily assosiated with. Plus the face that I don't really like the E.U. but thats a different matter

[Nabru]

Originally Posted by Sam

Why Euro? The euro is the current currency of 21 european countries.

What a bad decision. Go back to the old subscription system.

[Mursle]

Originally Posted by Nabru

What a bad decision. Go back to the old subscription system.

I agree with that I prefered going to France and getting Franks etc but now its all the same...and the only countries that really support it are France etc..

[Chompy]

1.00 EUR = 1.54858 USD (United States Dollar)
1.00 EUR = 0.788810 GBP (Great Britain Pound)
1.00 EUR = 167.471 JPY (Japanese Yen)
1.00 EUR = 1.64743 AUD (Australian Dollar)
1.00 EUR = 8.02162 NOK (Norske Kroner)
1.00 EUR = 9.33676 SEK (Swedish Kronor)

(Got bored..)

why they changed to euros.. why the change?

[Mursle]

Originally Posted by Chompy

1.00 EUR = 1.54858 USD (United States Dollar)
1.00 EUR = 0.788810 GBP (Great Britain Pound)
1.00 EUR = 167.471 JPY (Japanese Yen)
1.00 EUR = 1.64743 AUD (Australian Dollar)
1.00 EUR = 8.02162 NOK (Norske Kroner)
1.00 EUR = 9.33676 SEK (Swedish Kronor)

(Got bored..)

why they changed to euros.. why the change?

To get more money out of it xd and the cover up was that it costs SOOOOOOOOO much money to convert the currencies.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by kia345

And the American dollar is the currency of the majority of the Graal users

But the worth goes constantly down. As I remember you can still pay in US $

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Sam

But the worth goes constantly down. As I remember you can still pay in US $

Yes, PayPal converts them, but we still end up paying more.

It doesn't matter to us WHY the price went up, but it did.

I think that changing it to euros was a bad move; if they're really losing money, move to America

[Xterminator]

Originally Posted by kia345

And the American dollar is the currency of the majority of the Graal users

This is true, majority of Graal users live in North America..

Originally Posted by Nabru

What a bad decision. Go back to the old subscription system.

Agreed.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Xterminator

This is true, majority of Graal users live in North America..

Not anyone in North America uses the American Dollar ...

But anyway, it would be best to use USD since most people live in America, as far as I can tell.

[Xterminator]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Not anyone in North America uses the American Dollar ...

What do you mean by this?
What other cash would they use?..

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Xterminator

What do you mean by this?
What other cash would they use?..

By "American Dollar" I mean the United States Dollar.

Sorry that I got those mixed up.

And, Canadians use the Canadian dollar, and Mexicans use something else most likely.. There are also some other countries.

[Mursle]

lol consider yourself lucky....imagine if the price was changed to pounds you would be ripped off even more lol.

I liked it the old system basicly cause its was half price (sorta!) for the stuff i wanted lol.

like server renting for a year was only £50 (round abouts)

[Nature2]

yes it cost more but you can stop/start your subscription so you only pay if you play.. and you can play on all servers !

[Mursle]

Originally Posted by Nature2

yes it cost more but you can stop/start your subscription so you only pay if you play.. and you can play on all servers !

Yeah, I don't mind this new feature its just the fact that graal has changed it to the Euro.

They could still do these features and keep it as the dollar price?

Its ironic how it turns out they complain that they lose money and now they get more money from us.

Possibly to compinsate there loses i take it

[Xterminator]

Originally Posted by Mursle

lol consider yourself lucky....imagine if the price was changed to pounds you would be ripped off even more lol.

I liked it the old system basicly cause its was half price (sorta!) for the stuff i wanted lol.

like server renting for a year was only £50 (round abouts)

Yay i guess..But i guess they need more money or there just greedy.

[xAzerothx]

They make plenty of money from gelats on Zone.

[Admins]

Well if you lose 5 percent or more each month just for converting the Dollar to Euro because the currency exchange rate is fluctuating a lot then you would like the new system too The only annoying thing are probably the odd numbers, but if we would round up the numbers then you wouldn't like it either.

[Nabru]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Well if you lose 5 percent or more each month just for converting the Dollar to Euro because the currency exchange rate is fluctuating a lot then you would like the new system too The only annoying thing are probably the odd numbers, but if we would round up the numbers then you wouldn't like it either.

Well then I suggest rounding down. WAY DOWN. This game isn't worth 50$+ a year tbqh.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Well if you lose 5 percent or more each month just for converting the Dollar to Euro because the currency exchange rate is fluctuating a lot then you would like the new system too

Like I've said, we really don't give a damn how much money you make; to us it's all about how much we have to pay.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Mursle

Also the Euro is not as recognised as the dollar so most people can relate better to the dollar than the euro. (For example I know that for £1 you get round about $2)

Using a Euro base for the prices makes sense, but the converted USD price should still be displayed on the site, and there's no reason it can't be.

[Mursle]

Originally Posted by Googi

Using a Euro base for the prices makes sense, but the converted USD price should still be displayed on the site, and there's no reason it can't be.

I was thinking that too...but then the dollar exchange rate goes up and down like a yoyo and the numbers might be inacurate.

[Dan]

I really like the new prices myself. I think it was a good choise for both, 'Cyberjoueurs' and 'the players of Graal'. With gelats you can not only buy gold subscriptions but also get hold of some valuable items (atleast on Zone). I also like the bonus at the 64€ subscription.

Ofcourse the fact that you can buy your subscription month by month is a good thing too. When not playing for 2 months you won't lose any money.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Dan

I really like the new prices myself. I think it was a good choise for both, 'Cyberjoueurs' and 'the players of Graal'.

How is it a good choise for the players of Graal?

With gelats you can not only buy gold subscriptions but also get hold of some valuable items (atleast on Zone).

What does this have to do with the increase of prices? Unless you're trying to justify the change in price with zone's Gelat items...then you're just silly.

Ofcourse the fact that you can buy your subscription month by month is a good thing too. When not playing for 2 months you won't lose any money.

You never lost money when you didn't play for 2 months to begin with. I know what you're saying though.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Crono

How is it a good choise for the players of Graal?

Because of what I last said, you don't lose money if you save your gelats and don't buy all your subscriptions at once.

Originally Posted by Crono

What does this have to do with the increase of prices? Unless you're trying to justify the change in price with zone's Gelat items...then you're just silly.

Because you get gelats if you pay. With those gelats you can buy your gold subscription (OR other stuff).

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Dan

Because you get gelats if you pay. With those gelats you can buy your gold subscription (OR other stuff).

How the hell is this better than paying LESS for what you WANT?

Originally Posted by Dan

Because of what I last said, you don't lose money if you save your gelats and don't buy all your subscriptions at once.

Doesn't justify for:

Originally Posted by Rufus

Are you aware that the 8 months package is the price of the previous 12 months?

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Mursle

I was thinking that too...but then the dollar exchange rate goes up and down like a yoyo and the numbers might be inacurate.

They can use live rates to do the conversion. It isn't hard to do.

PHP Code:

<?php
//Subscription prices in Euros
$sub1 = 24.00;
$sub2 = 36.00;
$sub3 = 48.00;
$sub4 = 64.00;
//Gets the value of 1 Euro in USD.
$url = "http://finance.google.com/finance/converter?a=1.00&from=EUR&to=USD";
$findcurrstr = "<span class=bld>";
$findcurrstr2 = "&nbsp;USD";
$file = file($url);
//What we're looking for is close to the end of the file, so reverse the array.
$file = array_reverse($file);
foreach ($file as $value) {
  if ($pos = strpos($value,$findcurrstr)) {
    $startpos = $pos + strlen($findcurrstr);
    $len = strpos($value,$findcurrstr2) - $startpos;
    $currvalue = substr($value,$startpos,$len);
    break;
  }
}
//Check if something is wrong with $currvalue that would mean something went wrong.
if ($currvalue) {
  if (is_numeric($currvalue)) {
    //Display the prices in USD.
    $sub1usd = number_format($sub1 * $currvalue,2);
    $sub2usd = number_format($sub2 * $currvalue,2);
    $sub3usd = number_format($sub3 * $currvalue,2);
    $sub4usd = number_format($sub4 * $currvalue,2);
    echo "2400 Gelats = \$$sub1usd<br>";
    echo "4000 Gelats = \$$sub2usd<br>";
    echo "5600 Gelats = \$$sub3usd<br>";
    echo "8000 Gelats = \$$sub4usd<br>";
  }
}
?>

Not the optimal way of coding it, but illustrates that it's possible.

[Switch]

Originally Posted by Dan

With gelats you can not only buy gold subscriptions but also get hold of some valuable items (atleast on Zone)

Then maybe Classic servers should also have their own Gelat shops that they put stuff in for their own price, much as GK does (did?) and Zone.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by Crono

Doesn't justify for:

The 8 month gold bundle package is the previous price of 12 months of only a single server/option.
To summarize: for people which want gold bundle the new prices are the same or even cheaper (european players), and the base package costs less money (24 euro instead of 48euro/dollar). For people that were buying only a single server/option before it's now slightly more expensive, and the base package is the same price (european people) or a little bit more expensive.
Also for servers like Zone and Kingdoms it can probably bring more players.

It could be possible to display the USD price directly in the page, can check if we can do that soon.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Also for servers like Zone and Kingdoms it can probably bring more players.

Raising prices or alienating players who only visit playerworlds will not, releasing a steady amount of new content on a regular basis, or a complete overhaul of the servers and their dynamics probably will.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Stefan

The 8 month gold bundle package is the previous price of 12 months of only a single server/option.

Yeah but 3-4 years ago 12 months of Gold was cheaper and Graal doesn't offer much more today at all.

You could argue Gelats but that's hardly worth the extra $10-15.

To summarize: for people which want gold bundle the new prices are the same or even cheaper (european players), and the base package costs less money (24 euro instead of 48euro/dollar).

I don't know many people on Graal who upgrade to play both Zone and GK. You have the statistics though, not me.

For people that were buying only a single server/option before it's now slightly more expensive, and the base package is the same price (european people) or a little bit more expensive.

Weren't the majority of the people buying a single server/option?

Also for servers like Zone and Kingdoms it can probably bring more players.

Maybe, but I don't think price is the problem for Kingdoms...problem lies within the server itself.

It could be possible to display the USD price directly in the page, can check if we can do that soon.

Would be nice, yes.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Stefan

For people that were buying only a single server/option before it's now slightly more expensive

Slightly would be like 10[percent] increase.

Now it costs almost $60, which is a 300[percent] increase.

That's not a slight change.

(I'm going to go get Googi's percent fixer now )

[Admins]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Now it costs almost $60, which is a 300[percent] increase.

It's about $55 for more than 13 months of gold bundle (if you take the 36 euro package). That's almost exactly the same price as gold bundle before, which was double of the single server option, which is not existing anymore. On the other hand you also get more, and you have the possibility to pause your subscription. It's not like you pay more for the same, you pay more (per month) for more if you are not a european player. I'm sorry but such things cannot really be discussed. We have calculated with what amount we possible can become profitable, and you can calculate what you can afford, but you cannot tell us to spend money for your playing time.

We have also said that we will try to improve the overall quality of Graal.

I think the topic has been discussed enough now for you to build your own opinion. It's better if we spend our time on improving Graal and not discuss this pointlessly to the death.
Any further questions please via PM.