Informational: Vote Kicking System

[jkool666]

Originally Posted by Gerami

should change the kick system so that if you're on TAG it doesn't kick you...

No because then we'd blow our cover when catching hackers. They won't hack unless we secretly catch them with a hidden name/look. Putting on tag would blow that cover. Also, assuming I actually wanted to play, I couldn't as idiots would just rapidly kick me.

I have done slim to NOTHING wrong in Zone, there is no reason I should ever be removed from a team (assuming I keep that record), but I know of 50-100 players who would remove me from a team for a few reasons:
i) I've gotten them banned or locked them for breaking rules.
ii) They think it would be funny to bug staff.
iii) I refuse to do something which they ask of me, thus blackmail.
iv) Zone players are idiots.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by jkool666

No because then we'd blow our cover when catching hackers.

YES JESSE WE ARE SUCH SPIES, WE WOULD BLOW OUR COVER

I have done slim to NOTHING wrong in Zone, there is no reason I should ever be removed from a team (assuming I keep that record), but I know of 50-100 players who would remove me from a team for a few reasons:
i) I've gotten them banned or locked them for breaking rules.
ii) They think it would be funny to bug staff.
iii) I refuse to do something which they ask of me, thus blackmail.
iv) Zone players are idiots.

Thats what I'm trying to say but obviously Gambet just said the kick system is there to kick people for whatever reason. A random n00b can be as innocent as us but still get kicked.

[jkool666]

Originally Posted by Gerami

YES JESSE WE ARE SUCH SPIES, WE WOULD BLOW OUR COVER

We would, you would have to be an idiot to search for hackers with tag on. That stupid yellow dot on the radar gives us completely away, thus hackers see us coming and stop.

Originally Posted by Gerami

Thats what I'm trying to say but obviously Gambet just said the kick system is there to kick people for whatever reason. A random n00b can be as innocent as us but still get kicked.

But not as often. We are targets because we are staff.

But I'm not arguing that innocent players won't get kicked, I'm arguing that as staff, we should have special benefits to avoid being removed by players. And I have stated several reasons as to why we would need these benefits.

Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

You're not under cover by any circumstances. Most hackers don't care if they're locked or not for the simple fact most of them don't play zone except to hack for a laugh. "If over half the teams wants you gone you should be gone."

I have caught around, 20-50 hackers in the past 2 months. At most you have caught 2. I know more about how they act, thus I know that we would need to go *under cover* to find them.

Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

Do you know how many idiots I've killed in events? So many more than you've locked or gotten banned.

But if you include the ones I have killed in events, then I probably, have your number multiplied by 2 or 3. Or all the members I have in Alseus who would do it to be *funny* @ their king.

Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

"LOLOLLETS KICK DA LEGEND/ELITE!""If you refuse to give me X on server X I'll kick you!!!!" I'm not protected from their stupidity, and you shouldn't be either.

Yes you are, when I see them doing it, I lock them. But if I was to get removed from a map, vs you getting removed from a map, there would be a greater impact for me since I would be doing something thats actually important to the bettering of zone (as I really only go into the map when there are several hackers on).

I would like to conclude this by saying, Typhoon you don't play, thus you really can't be saying to much about any of this. You aren't effected by this rule at all. And finally, Gambet can't trust players as much as he can trust staff members. He'd trust me not to hack, WAY more then he'd trust players in general. Unfortunately I am being compared with a few other people (staff members) and you are being tied in with the players (who are complete idiots).

[MisterMastermind]

Originally Posted by jkool666

But I'm not arguing that innocent players won't get kicked, I'm arguing that as staff, we should have special benefits to avoid being removed by players. And I have stated several reasons as to why we would need these benefits.

And I responded to each of those "reasons" how it would effect me.

I have caught around, 20-50 hackers in the past 2 months. At most you have caught 2. I know more about how they act, thus I know that we would need to go *under cover* to find them.

Then you can risk being kicked. If there is a hacker on the other team they would WANT you there, and if this does what it's supposed to you won't be needed to look for hackers on the PK zone.

But if you include the ones I have killed in events, then I probably, have your number multiplied by 2 or 3. Or all the members I have in Alseus who would do it to be *funny* @ their king.

No, you maybe have a third of the ones I've pk'd. There's also the fact you can fight back with a /kick or an /unstick, while players can't.

Yes you are, when I see them doing it, I lock them. But if I was to get removed from a map, vs you getting removed from a map, there would be a greater impact for me since I would be doing something thats actually important to the bettering of zone (as I really only go into the map when there are several hackers on).

Go on tag then. While you're offtag you should have the same rights and status as a player.

I would like to conclude this by saying, Typhoon you don't play, thus you really can't be saying to much about any of this. You aren't effected by this rule at all. And finally, Gambet can't trust players as much as he can trust staff members. He'd trust me not to hack, WAY more then he'd trust players in general. Unfortunately I am being compared with a few other people (staff members) and you are being tied in with the players (who are complete idiots).

You don't play much either, and I've played more than you have so this DOES affect me. When the vista problems are hopefully fixed in the next update I will play again, and I don't wish to come back to constant kicking because I'm a legend. The fact staff are trusted more has become clear, one of you can kick unlimited amount of us, while it takes at least half of us to attempt to kick you. Honestly, no you're not being tied in with the rest of them, I don't think ANYONE should be exempt from a vote kick.

[quintin1992]

Either way guys, we need something to happen about hackers when the ET s are not on. Getting killed by a ****ing crossbow hacking wall walker sucks.
EVEN IF! the system gets abused, it will at least lock some of the hackers. "To make an omlette, you must break eggs!" -Some chinesse saying or something. ANYWAY just give the system a 1 week trial, and if it doesnt work, get rid of it or make it better. Besides using the V.K.S., set script that sends a notice to zone server when a weapon fires faster than it should, or if energy isnt used up after being used for energy costing weapons. Same thing for going on walls and such. Set script so that if zone server does not find jetpack in the persons inventory it kicks em. This way hackers would automaticly be kicked, so no inncocents get hurt!

[MisterMastermind]

Originally Posted by jkool666

No because then we'd blow our cover when catching hackers. They won't hack unless we secretly catch them with a hidden name/look. Putting on tag would blow that cover.

You're not under cover by any circumstances. Most hackers don't care if they're locked or not for the simple fact most of them don't play zone except to hack for a laugh.

Also, assuming I actually wanted to play, I couldn't as idiots would just rapidly kick me.

"If over half the teams wants you gone you should be gone."

I have done slim to NOTHING wrong in Zone, there is no reason I should ever be removed from a team (assuming I keep that record), but I know of 50-100 players who would remove me from a team for a few reasons:
i) I've gotten them banned or locked them for breaking rules.

Do you know how many idiots I've killed in events? So many more than you've locked or gotten banned.

ii) They think it would be funny to bug staff.

"LOLOLLETS KICK DA LEGEND/ELITE!"

iii) I refuse to do something which they ask of me, thus blackmail.

"If you refuse to give me X on server X I'll kick you!!!!"

iv) Zone players are idiots.

I'm not protected from their stupidity, and you shouldn't be either.