Era Needs Change...

[Rapidwolve]

A lot of people say resetting the server is the way to go, but the economic problem will just repeat itself. Era is in a loop. Though resetting will provide a short-term solution to the problem. We are just going to see the same situation sometime later on in the future, followed by another annoying reset . In my eyes, a reset would be pointless unless a plan for a better economic system is developed first.

Here go a couple of my ideas for a better economy on Era:

Fixed prices for guns:
A big reason why the richer players overshadow the other players as much as they do is because they know how to trade well and make a profits off trading. Era should not be mainly a bartering-for-profit server. This is especially true for the newcomers not knowing what to do. How would you feel if you were a new player and your working your ass off spending hours to make 10k, when other players around you are shooting you as soon as you leave 'unstick me' with guns worth 200k, 300k, and beyond? Guns they earned simply by trading and having connections? Gun prices are fluctuating by the week and this is a big problem. For example, weeks back I remember an MP40 was around 70-80k. Today, people are telling me that it is worth about 50k now. Wtf? This is should not be happening. My suggestion is that Era have more gun stores that sell guns with fixed prices. This way people will actually have to work for their money instead of hustling and manipulating other players who don't know any better for profit. And to keep rare guns rare, the NPC-Server can just spawn one or two of these guns every so often, but not enough for the weapon to lose value.

Higher paying jobs:
Lets face it, you didn't mine or pick flowers to earn that 1 mil to buy that Metal Storm (if its even worth a million dollars right now). Newcomers have no idea how to make the good money like the more experienced Era players do. Era could have such a bigger player base if it was more newb friendly. Honestly if I was a new player and I saw how long it took to make just 1k off picking those flowers. I would quit. Which is why I believe jobs should pay a lot more then they do now. This would be compatible with the fixed guns price system as better guns would be more accessible. Current jobs on take way too much time to make good money, and we have a business system that is being used ineffectively.

Better management with guns:
Era needs a lot more guns. Period.

Taxes and Interest:
Periodically, depending on how staff feel the economy is doing, bank accounts should be either taxed or given interest by a fixed percentage. Business safes should be taxed as well. This should help keep the economy in equilibrium.

And a better staff team:
Lets face it we don't have the best staff team.

We are told to contact GP's when we have a problem. But what if the only GP is Squirt? Your screwed aren't you?

Or what about if you have a question PM a FAQ? There have been many times where I have asked a FAQ a question and they had no idea what the answer was."

Levels team? What do they do? I don't see any new levels or quests? Do you?

The events team does an excellent job, no complaints there.

Not trying to bash on anybody or complain but I'm just telling it like it is.

Constructive criticism and more ideas are welcome.

[Sinkler]

1) We've done a much better controlling gun prices. Yes they're still high, but they're much lower than they used to be.
2) You can work at businesses. Gun Point and Ammo Mart pay like $5 per lead and iron.
3) Masa has been doing a fine a job on fixing guns.
4) We do have taxes on businesses not banks. We don't need interest. How would you even calculate the interest? Compound by using the compound interest formula money(1+rate of interest)^number of days (instead of years)
5) Our staff team is fine. The GPs are doing their job and my FAQs are do theirs. Our development team is doing a great job fixing old errors as well as implementing newer updates to Era.

[Rapidwolve]

Originally Posted by Sinkler

1) We've done a much better controlling gun prices. Yes they're still high, but they're much lower than they used to be.
2) You can work at businesses. Gun Point and Ammo Mart pay like $5 per lead and iron.
3) Masa has been doing a fine a job on fixing guns.
4) We do have taxes on businesses not banks. We don't need interest. How would you even calculate the interest? Compound by using the compound interest formula money(1+rate of interest)^number of days (instead of years)
5) Our staff team is fine. The GPs are doing their job and my FAQs are do theirs. Our development team is doing a great job fixing old errors as well as implementing newer updates to Era.

1) I agree, you guys have been doing a lot better. But your efforts aren't enough. The prices will always fluctuate.

2) Last time I worked at a business, I was fired on payday. Tsk tsk.

3) Masa who? I've seen Masa online literally 3 times since I came back to Graal.

4) Why only tax businesses? Why not tax players too?

5) The staff team is better than it has been before I agree, but they need to be more active.

[Rave_J]

Originally Posted by Sinkler

1) We've done a much better controlling gun prices. Yes they're still high, but they're much lower than they used to be.
2) You can work at businesses. Gun Point and Ammo Mart pay like $5 per lead and iron.
3) Masa has been doing a fine a job on fixing guns.
4) We do have taxes on businesses not banks. We don't need interest. How would you even calculate the interest? Compound by using the compound interest formula money(1+rate of interest)^number of days (instead of years)
5) Our staff team is fine. The GPs are doing their job and my FAQs are do theirs. Our development team is doing a great job fixing old errors as well as implementing newer updates to Era.

Ok sorry to bash you Gab. (dont take it personal)
1. the prices omg when i left a SG was worth like 25k to 30k now i came back and there worth 60k so it seems like gun prices went higher.
2. Why work at a business when for 5g when u can sell it to the npc mining shop for 6g per mineral don't make sense.
3. Like i said i really haven't came back so idk about masa but to me the guns are normal just move guns around the Status.
4. U can easily script it where it takes 5 percent or 10 percent of the income coming in each week.
5. I seen gps around but honestly Every server knows Era is the lazy Staff Team on Graal Classic Tab. The Staff team could be more active and its been a year since a new quest came out or anything worth playing. This dont include the ec shop actually content. Honestly the gang system will fail again and era will too unless u guys can get control over the economy. I know your staff and stick up for them but honestly how would u know u don't develop how long u been FAQ Admin u could at least already learn how to lat decent so ya also Era as the Less staff team and hard to get on even ur the best if ur not friends u don't get hired or anything

[Sinkler]

Originally Posted by Rave_J

Ok sorry to bash you Gab. (dont take it personal)
1. the prices omg when i left a SG was worth like 25k to 30k now i came back and there worth 60k so it seems like gun prices went higher.
2. Why work at a business when for 5g when u can sell it to the npc mining shop for 6g per mineral don't make sense.
3. Like i said i really haven't came back so idk about masa but to me the guns are normal just move guns around the Status.
4. U can easily script it where it takes 5 percent or 10 percent of the income coming in each week.
5. I seen gps around but honestly Every server knows Era is the lazy Staff Team on Graal Classic Tab. The Staff team could be more active and its been a year since a new quest came out or anything worth playing. This dont include the ec shop actually content. Honestly the gang system will fail again and era will too unless u guys can get control over the economy. I know your staff and stick up for them but honestly how would u know u don't develop how long u been FAQ Admin u could at least already learn how to lat decent so ya also Era as the Less staff team and hard to get on even ur the best if ur not friends u don't get hired or anything

As I stated earlier, the market shifts, but we have MUCH better control than we used to.
The interest/tax system is a ridiculous idea. They're mutually exclusive. If you tax a person but then give them interest in their bank account? You're taking money away THEN giving more back.
I have been a FAQ Admin for let's say 5-8 months. I have been a staff member for a total of one year. I know how well the staff team works since I have been both a FAQ Admin and a GP and it's working well. The development team is doing MUCH better. You ask "how do you know thing if you're not a developer," well I am on RC every day when they talk about development ideas and how to implement new updates. Do I know exactly how these ideas will work? No because I am not a developer, but I know they're WORKING on it.
The current staff team is the LEAST LAZIEST staff team that I have seen in a long time. They work VERY hard and do a good job at it. Just because the past staff teams are lazy doesn't mean that the current one is just as lazy.

[MontyPython]

Selling every gun at a shop would only fix the price inflations/deflations as long as they were constantly stocked. The rarity thing goes out the window, then.

And secondly, you can't spawn an item in such a way that it doesn't lose rarity. Until guns break or fall apart, the only way to keep a gun's original rarity is to never release any more.

High paying jobs always sound like a good idea, until you realize something: That just pushes all the prices up further. Let's say originally it took you an hour to make 1k, and a Metal Storm was being sold for 1 million. Now if it only takes you one hour to make 3k, the price will be adjusted accordingly. Now you're staring at a Metal Storm with a 3 million dollar price tag. It solves nothing.

As for new guns, it depends on what your idea of a new gun is. If it's just another set of dual handguns or boring assault rifle, no. That won't solve a thing.

If it's guns that offer other features or cater to playstyles beyond that of just better freeze, reload, or accuracy, I agree.


Ugh, taxes. No thanks. Putting up with them in real life is annoying enough as it is. It'd be cool to take a long break from Era, and come back to find your bank account drained.

What's exactly wrong with the staff team?
There's been updates, you're blind if you say there hasn't been.

There's been minor level adjustments the LAT team's done, they've been working on some new event rooms/spaces, etc. But, you're forgetting a really big part of the development: Era Dev server. I'm assuming they're doing work there. If not, then your complaint is justified.

The GP thing seems a little more like you just felt a need to throw in a personal attack. Why pick Squirt, and what did he do to you? If it's some random isolated incident involving one person, you hardly can criticize the entire team.

As for the history, all it proves is you're rather good at asking the same vague question a thousand times over.

[Rapidwolve]

Originally Posted by MontyPython

Selling every gun at a shop would only fix the price inflations/deflations as long as they were constantly stocked. The rarity thing goes out the window, then.

And secondly, you can't spawn an item in such a way that it doesn't lose rarity. Until guns break or fall apart, the only way to keep a gun's original rarity is to never release any more.

High paying jobs always sound like a good idea, until you realize something: That just pushes all the prices up further. Let's say originally it took you an hour to make 1k, and a Metal Storm was being sold for 1 million. Now if it only takes you one hour to make 3k, the price will be adjusted accordingly. Now you're staring at a Metal Storm with a 3 million dollar price tag. It solves nothing.

As for new guns, it depends on what your idea of a new gun is. If it's just another set of dual handguns or boring assault rifle, no. That won't solve a thing.

If it's guns that offer other features or cater to playstyles beyond that of just better freeze, reload, or accuracy, I agee.


Ugh, taxes. No thanks. Putting up with them in real life is annoying enough as it is. It'd be cool to take a long break from Era, and come back to find your bank account drained.

What's exactly wrong with the staff team?
There's been updates, you're blind if you say there hasn't been. There's been minor level adjustments the LAT team's done, they've been working on some new event rooms/spaces, etc.

But, you're forgetting a really big part of the development: Era Dev server. I'm assuming they're doing work there. If not, then your complain is justified.

The GP thing seems a little more like you just felt a need to throw in a personal attack. Why pick Squirt, and what did he do to you? If it's some random isolated incident involving one person, you hardly can criticize the entire team.

As for the history, all it proves is you're rather good at asking the same vague question a thousand times over.

1) When I said spawn rare guns I meant like one or two with a time interval of by-yearly. Releasing some and never release any more works better I suppose.

2) That's what you DON'T bump up the price for the guns, this is where having more a lot guns come into play.

3) No, when I say new guns I don't mean having more duals or modding current guns, I mean actual new guns with a varying array of stats.

4) Taxes are only taken to bring the economy back into equilibrium if staff feel it isn't doing well. Other wise you would receive nothing or maybe a little bit of interest.

5) I guess I just don't notice these things.

6) I've seen the Era Dev server when I was staff here like a couple weeks ago. There is barely any work being done there at all. Only thing there is a couple systems that Chris Vimes is working on to make optimize Era and make it more secure. Other than that there is hardly any other development going on at all. There is a new map which is almost done, but they aren't even going to use that map from what I was told. Don't get your hopes up for a new era any time soon.

7) Not trying to put Squirt on the spot but hes not the most friendly player relations staff we have.

[MontyPython]

Originally Posted by Rapidwolve

1) When I said spawn rare guns I meant like one or two with a time interval of by-yearly. Releasing some and never release any more works better I suppose.

2) That's what you DON'T bump up the price for the guns, this is where having more a lot guns come into play.

3) No, when I say new guns I don't mean having more duals or modding current guns, I mean actual new guns with a varying array of stats.

4) Taxes are only taken to bring the economy back into equilibrium if staff feel it isn't doing well. Other wise you would receive nothing or maybe a little bit of interest.

5) I guess I just don't notice these things.

6) I've seen the Era Dev server when I was staff here like a couple weeks ago. There is barely any work being done there at all. Only thing there is a couple systems that Chris Vimes is working on to make optimize Era and make it more secure. Other than that there is hardly any other development going on at all. There is a new map which is almost done, but they aren't even going to use that map from what I was told. Don't get your hopes up for a new era any time soon.

7) Not trying to put Squirt on the spot but hes not the most friendly player relations staff we have.

(Way too many arabic-numeral) lists here)

II. If it's a player run price-market, it'll go up. Always has, always will. If it's using the system you suggested where guns are sold in stores at a fixed price and these guns are also constantly stocked, there would be no need to increase the pay of jobs. They could simply make prices that are more reasonable to the current pay of jobs.

III. That's what I'm saying, I don't think a new gun with a little less freeze is going to make anything more fun in Era. It's just another "oh, this is just like a <sten,m1,insert gun here>. Pointless. Unless we're going to release guns that have more interesting attributes other than freeze, accuracy, fire rate, and reload speed, there's really no reason to keep mass producing ****. Guns with secondary fire, guns that are like support weapons (GC suggest a gun that launches gas canisters that hurt player's vision, and also has a 5[percent] chance to poison them or something), things that go beyond the usual WHATS THE FREEZE ON IT MANG?

IV. So one second they're taxing you, then they're throwing money back in your account because of interest? I think both are bad ideas. Taxing discourages players from keeping money in their bank, and a fixed interest would spawn tons of money into the server. Do you really want someone leaving Era with 500k in the bank, and coming back in six months to have three times that amount (rates wouldn't be THAT high, but the principle remains the same)?

V. ___________

VI. I haven't been there, I wouldn't know. If what you're saying is true, then your complaints have more weight.

VII. "not the most friendly player relations" - the hell does that mean? First off, who's the friendliest? Rank the members of a team from friendliest to unfriendliest. When was he unfriendly to you? When did he not do his job for you? ...yeah, you get the idea. Specifics.

Seriously, have some decent complaint other than "WELL HE'S NOT FRIENDLY TO ME ALL THE TIME". Give examples of times when a staff member isn't doing their job, don't just make these vague blanket statements that mean nothing.

[RogueShatterblade]

Originally Posted by MontyPython

(Way too many arabic-numeral) lists here)

you mean roman numerals.






people are always going to complain about everything.
era is era. era will always be jacked up in some way, shape,
or form, and no matter how miniscule the fault, people will
cry. cry cry cry all day.

as an admin the best you can do is roll with the punches and
try and make them as happy as you can.


this Ocelot post is rated PG-13 for retarded censorship purposes.

[Sinkler]

1) We do our best and we are still working on it. It takes time, not one night.

2) How long ago was this? A long time ago businesses used to do that, but now it's 100% illegal.

3) Masa is on usually early in the morning or late at night.

4) How are you expecting to tax players? Do you know how hard it will be to tax players? What happens if they have $0? It's a bad idea.

5) We ARE active. I am on every single day. So is Squirt and so is most of the Development Team. Deophite is on daily as well. What do you mean "be more active"? We're VERY active.

[LordSquirt]

Let me just tell you a little tidbit that you most likely fail to realize. When I was hired as a GP there were MULTIPLE people who had greater than one mil cash wise. However, through auctions we did and by taking money out of the economy through other ways not ONE person currently has over one million. Do you know why the MP40 went down in price. Well, let me tell you. It's because there's less money in the server, therefore, of course it would go down.

In regards to staff/GP. I don't get why people are 'screwed' when i'm the only GP on. I help people daily in regards to guns, gangs, businesses, and my other GP duties. I don't think I come off like a person who seems unfriendly and unreachable. Whenever someone has a problem they PM me and I help them with the best of my abilities.

In regards to inactivity, yes, I do believe I have been on less than I was on previously, however, i'm still on several hours a day and can be found if needed.

[Sinkler]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

Let me just tell you a little tidbit that you most likely fail to realize. When I was hired as a GP there were MULTIPLE people who had greater than one mil cash wise. However, through auctions we did and by taking money out of the economy through other ways not ONE person currently has over one million. Do you know why the MP40 went down in price. Well, let me tell you. It's because there's less money in the server, therefore, of course it would go down.

In regards to staff/GP. I don't get why people are 'screwed' when i'm the only GP on. I help people daily in regards to guns, gangs, businesses, and my other GP duties. I don't think I come off like a person who seems unfriendly and unreachable. Whenever someone has a problem they PM me and I help them with the best of my abilities.

In regards to inactivity, yes, I do believe I have been on less than I was on previously, however, i'm still on several hours a day and can be found if needed.

Being on several hours a day doesn't mean you're inactive...

[Rapidwolve]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

Let me just tell you a little tidbit that you most likely fail to realize. When I was hired as a GP there were MULTIPLE people who had greater than one mil cash wise. However, through auctions we did and by taking money out of the economy through other ways not ONE person currently has over one million. Do you know why the MP40 went down in price. Well, let me tell you. It's because there's less money in the server, therefore, of course it would go down.

How exactly did you guys 'lower the price' of the MP40? Also Less money in the economy? Why was the MP40 the only gun affected by this price change because from what I see in mass message the prices of the other guns are unaffected. (luckily i got rid of my mp40 before this price drop)

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

In regards to staff/GP. I don't get why people are 'screwed' when i'm the only GP on. I help people daily in regards to guns, gangs, businesses, and my other GP duties. I don't think I come off like a person who seems unfriendly and unreachable. Whenever someone has a problem they PM me and I help them with the best of my abilities.

Again I didn't mean to come at you like that but from what I remember, I have tried to get your assistance in the past only to receive no response. Then minutes later I would see you walking around on the GMAP and sending mass messages. You don't think you come off as a person who is unreachable, but believe me you certainly do. I have heard numerous complaints about you. I don't know if they are all true but I used you for an example because I don't really have complaints about other GP's.

[Sinkler]

Originally Posted by Rapidwolve

How exactly did you guys 'lower the price' of the MP40? Also Less money in the economy? Why was the MP40 the only gun affected by this price change because from what I see in mass message the prices of the other guns are unaffected. (luckily i got rid of my mp40 before this price drop)



Again I didn't mean to come at you like that but from what I remember, I have tried to get your assistance in the past only to receive no response. Then minutes later I would see you walking around on the GMAP and sending mass messages. You don't think you come off as a person who is unreachable, but believe me you certainly do. I have heard numerous complaints about you. I don't know if they are all true but I used you for an example because I don't really have complaints about other GP's.

Number one, the less money in the economy, the less chance of you being able to sell the gun at a higher price hence why prices will go down. I can sell a one of a kind hat for 10 million dollars, and no one will buy it, therefore I'd have to lower it.

Squirt and I talk all the time on Era about GP issues as well as other issues that need to be handled. He quickly responds.

[Rapidwolve]

Originally Posted by Sinkler

Number one, the less money in the economy, the less chance of you being able to sell the gun at a higher price hence why prices will go down. I can sell a one of a kind hat for 10 million dollars, and no one will buy it, therefore I'd have to lower it.

I still fail to understand why the MP40 is the only gun to be affected by this price change. The only example I can give you from my own experience is that the Neo Rifle is still worth about 100k when I ask for a price check. But the MP40 went from 80k to 50k. How does that happen?