Looks too similar?

[Donark]

uhmm is it just me or has graal coppied almost every T.V. show or game out there?

Zone-Gravity Hammer... wtf?? isnt that from Halo 3, and Graal's making money off of it selling it for gelats...

Playeroworld-Heads- Ive seen spiderman heads,kirby,luigi,toad,dbz,naruto,pokemon, and even WILL SMITH?
lots more--

Im not sure if graals got permission to use some of theese but still, it would be nice to see some creativity.

[DustyPorViva]

Slapping gravity in front of an item/weapon isn't exactly original in its own sense, not even for Halo 3.

As for the heads... if the graphics aren't stolen from another source, and since heads really don't have 'names', there is nothing really wrong with it.

[Donark]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Slapping gravity in front of an item/weapon isn't exactly original in its own sense, not even for Halo 3.

As for the heads... if the graphics aren't stolen from another source, and since heads really don't have 'names', there is nothing really wrong with it.

ehh... halo 3 was the first that copyrighted it so it kinda is there original.

[Stephen]

Rather than discuss the thread's topic, I sort of question the motive behind it. It doesn't strike me as one made with concern.

[DustyPorViva]

How do you know they are the ONLY people EVER to use, and copyright the gravity hammer?

Seriously, post some facts that show that Halo 3 was the first to ever use and copyright the Gravity Hammer.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

How do you know they are the ONLY people EVER to use, and copyright the gravity hammer?

Seriously, post some facts that show that Halo 3 was the first to ever use and copyright the Gravity Hammer.

I think if you concentrated more on the nature of his statement than the question he's asking you will see it's not worth persuit - so much so that I think he's just sour and trying to kick up some dust.

[Donark]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I think if you concentrated more on the nature of his statement than the question he's asking you will see it's not worth persuit - so much so that I think he's just sour and trying to kick up some dust.

not really.. im just giving my OPINION on what I see in the game... im not asking u to get rid of everything im just trying to point things out.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Donark

not really.. im just giving my OPINION on what I see in the game... im not asking u to get rid of everything im just trying to point things out.

This contradicts

Originally Posted by Donark

ehh... halo 3 was the first that copyrighted it so it kinda is there original.

this.

If you're going to say it's your opinion, don't throw around words like copyright, which would mean it's a fact.

Like I said, Gravity -insert item here- isn't really original, so it's hard to say they stole it when who knows where it first appeared.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

How do you know they are the ONLY people EVER to use, and copyright the gravity hammer?

Seriously, post some facts that show that Halo 3 was the first to ever use and copyright the Gravity Hammer.

Let's be honest here, Zone's Gravity Hammer is a 2D version of Halo's

[DustyPorViva]

Doesn't bother me in the slightest whatever accusations he has. I have no need to defend Graal.

I just figure if he's going to ask a question and defend it, he should have some proof of his statements.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Doesn't bother me in the slightest whatever accusations he has. I have no need to defend Graal.

I just figure if he's going to ask a question and defend it, he should have some proof of his statements.

I don't think it's worth kicking up the dust for what strikes me as a petty reason - especially over something serious like this. I hope you agree, if not out of opinion than for the sake of conversation.

[cbk1994]

Only way I could see the set up for a lawsuit (I wonder if they would forward the DMCA to the support center?) is if the weapons were extremely similar (e.g. look the same, same purpose).

[xAzerothx]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Only way I could see the set up for a lawsuit (I wonder if they would forward the DMCA to the support center?) is if the weapons were extremely similar (e.g. look the same, same purpose).

They look exactly the same and do the same thing.

[DustyPorViva]

Nothing a change of name couldn't fix.

[kia345]

Zelda Online? What Zelda Online?

[Rufus]

Unholy Nation --

• Pikachu Shock NPC
• Pokeball Catching Players
• Mario Fire Plant NPC
• Louigi Fire Plant NPC
• Pac Man Transform
• Gani Emote Sounds
  ° Kyle from South Park (shift + e)
  ° Lemmings (shift + y)
  ° Darth Vader from Star Wars (shift + u)
• Souljaboy NPC
• Various Dance NPCs (Including sounds)

Now I'm not being a prude, but you guys are looking too into that one hammer NPC and seem to be ignoring the rest.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Unholy Nation --

• Pikachu Shock NPC
• Pokeball Catching Players
• Mario Fire Plant NPC
• Louigi Fire Plant NPC
• Pac Man Transform
• Gani Emote Sounds
  ° Kyle from South Park (shift + e)
  ° Lemmings (shift + y)
  ° Darth Vader from Star Wars (shift + u)
• Souljaboy NPC
• Various Dance NPCs (Including sounds)

Now I'm not being a prude, but you guys are looking too into that one hammer NPC and seem to be ignoring the rest.

What good could possibly come of this conversation?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Stephen

What good could possibly come of this conversation?

They could be removed or modified, and an added bonus would be that maybe for once you would shut the **** up. I am sick to death of your posts now.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Rufus

They could be removed or modified, and an added bonus would be that maybe for once you would shut the **** up. I am sick to death of your posts now.

I'm afraid I don't post to amuse you. If you have a problem with them you may have to deal with it on your own.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Unholy Nation --

• Pikachu Shock NPC
• Pokeball Catching Players
• Mario Fire Plant NPC
• Louigi Fire Plant NPC
• Pac Man Transform
• Gani Emote Sounds
  ° Kyle from South Park (shift + e)
  ° Lemmings (shift + y)
  ° Darth Vader from Star Wars (shift + u)
• Souljaboy NPC
• Various Dance NPCs (Including sounds)

Now I'm not being a prude, but you guys are looking too into that one hammer NPC and seem to be ignoring the rest.

Don't forget the pokemon icons/guild names on Zodiac, the spiderman graal head, and the bat mobile on Era.

Nothing is original, and it's difficult to come up with your own original ideas because it requires people to "think outside of the box." The way the human brain functions, it recalls situations that it has previously experienced and it rearranges them, and that's how ideas are generated. Originality is overrated in my opinion, functionality and how well you can capture the audience is key, originally or not. I agree that people should use their head a bit more and stop copying and pasting in to Graal, but that's more of stealing than being unoriginal.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

bat mobile on Era.

I'd say that was of more an easter egg than rip off.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I'd say that was of more an easter egg than rip off.

I could have swore I saw the Batman icon on the back of it. That's not a rip off? Okay.

[Galdor]

you cant copyright a weapon you hopeless... the design maybe but yea...
"hey dude I have copyright on swords you cant do swords, wtf your sword even do the same thing! it cuts ppl."

[DustyPorViva]

A proper easter egg of the Batmobile would be... say, a Catmobile, with a cat icon.

As for why, because when you see something called a Catmobile, you'll almost always think, HA! Batmobile. It's so obvious it's funny. There has to be an underlying message, pun, or humor behind an easter egg to give it reason rather than simply wanting to have something from another game.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

A proper easter egg of the Batmobile would be... say, a Catmobile, with a cat icon.

As for why, because when you see something called a Catmobile, you'll almost always think, HA! Batmobile. It's so obvious it's funny. There has to be an underlying message, pun, or humor behind an easter egg to give it reason rather than simply wanting to have something from another game.

Yeah I get what you mean actually. I just don't associate the Batmobile personally with Batman alone, because it's a sold out concept; they've had it in as easter eggs for those cars people collect, trains, tv shows, etc. There's a big list of that stuff on Wikipedia under Batmobile, "The Batmobile in popular culture".

I guess a good example of an easter egg in the gaming sense would be Konidias' *cough* Mario / Luigi / Wario / Waluigi outfits. Everyone has seen the outfits, they are not identical to the originals, but you can still see what they are supposed to represent. The hats are named "Cap of Stars (Red/Green/Yellow/Purple)" and the item descriptions are suggestive, "A red sturdy cap with a star emblem on the front; it makes you feel like jumping." etc. Another example of an easter egg on 2k1 is the description for the halo hat, "A floating golden ring discarded long ago by an angel.. just keep it away from fast moving hedgehogs." ..you get the point

[DustyPorViva]

Ya, I always loved those easter egg outfits on BI.

I can't really word what makes an easter egg different than just stealing it, but I'll stick to what I said before: you have to have some sort of underlying meaning to it, rather than just having it there because you want Mario on your server. Pay homage to the games, don't steal from them.

Too many easter eggs though can overpower original content, even if well-intentioned. If everyone is running around looking like Mario and Link, instead of wearing all the other original content, then you've got a problem.

I think the problem with the Gravity Hammer is that, as far as I know(admittedly, I don't play Zone so really don't know anything about the hammer), it's treated like every other weapon. There's no referencing to Halo 3 at all, there's no background story for it that honors Halo, and it's not really a novelty item. It looks the same, and more importantly, it's NAMED the same, there is no play on the name at all, which is a huge part of an easter egg. What would make the Gravity Hammer an easter egg item, rather than a stolen idea, would be to rename it to something like... Graviton Hammer, and give it a little story referencing Halo 3(like Rufus posted about the Mario hats, giving little details about who wears them[red meaning wanting to jump]).

[kia345]

Remove one thing, add 7 more?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Donark

uhmm is it just me or has graal coppied almost every T.V. show or game out there?

LOL you dont know where graal comes from do you?

Zone-Gravity Hammer... wtf?? isnt that from Halo 3, and Graal's making money off of it selling it for gelats...

Ya Graal's looks so much like Halo's.

Playeroworld-Heads- Ive seen spiderman heads,kirby,luigi,toad,dbz,naruto,pokemon, and even WILL SMITH?
lots more--

HAS YOU SEEN ZELDA ON GRAAL?????

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Crono

Ya Graal's looks so much like Halo's.

It does though.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by kia345

It does though.

Can I see a screenie? I didn't find anyone on Zone with it.

[xAzerothx]

They look exactly the same.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by xAzerothx

They look exactly the same.

Oh wow, they do.

[Crono]

Oh wow, what a blatant rip off. Someone should edit it.

[DustyPorViva]

Like I told Rufus: I think one of the staff made it, went to Stefan and said, "Hey, look at this cool weapon I made! I call it the Gravity Hammer!!!" Stefan, whom only plays Mario Kart, had absolutely no idea this even existed on Halo 3, and thought this kid had a brilliant idea.

It shouldn't even be called a Gravity Hammer, it doesn't look anything like a hammer.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Like I told Rufus: I think one of the staff made it, went to Stefan and said, "Hey, look at this cool weapon I made! I call it the Gravity Hammer!!!" Stefan, whom only plays Mario Kart, had absolutely no idea this even existed on Halo 3, and thought this kid had a brilliant idea.

The number of mario kart players is significantly larger than the halo players
We also had karts on Graal2001. We are not really doing an exact copy of other games, we more do stuff that is inspired by other games and reusing some ideas that fit in the Graal environment. Other games do the same, it's not like GTA invented the idea of gangs, guns or mini-games.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Other games do the same, it's not like GTA invented the idea of gangs, guns or mini-games.

No, they didn't. But they also don't have the exact same thing that's in another game.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Stefan

it's not like GTA invented the idea of gangs, guns or mini-games.

You can't use a parallelism argument tactic when there's no parallelism.

While Mario Kart may not have invented karts, and GTA may not have invented guns, it seems in this case, Halo 3 did invent this (name, look, and usage) gravity hammer.

It would be like having a character look like Link from Zelda and name him "Link" and have him as a playable character on the Graal character-select menu. Oh wait...

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Stefan

The number of mario kart players is significantly larger than the halo players
We also had karts on Graal2001. We are not really doing an exact copy of other games, we more do stuff that is inspired by other games and reusing some ideas that fit in the Graal environment. Other games do the same, it's not like GTA invented the idea of gangs, guns or mini-games.

Your karts didn't shoot turtle shells and bananas, so they weren't a blatant rip-off of Mario Kart. Malinko's Mario items on UN, now those are rip-offs. Gravity Hammer on the other hand, is straight from Halo.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Other games do the same, it's not like GTA invented the idea of gangs, guns or mini-games.

You shouldn't compare with GTA. GTA reflects realism, or at least tries to do so. Now think about what Halo or Mario Kart does.

[Rufus]

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