External Mac RC?

[Novo]

Mac requires a native RC.

Virtualizing Windows to use the native RC is way too resource-hogging for a portable. In all dimensions: Disk Space, CPU, and Memory. My system goes to a sluggish speed in these cases. Backing up things is also near impossible (communications from mother os to virtualized os is difficult)

In-game client-rc is immensely slow... And I have time to write an entire line of code before I see the beginning of the line start to form. If I do a typo, I have to move the cursor to the point of interest to work, because waiting for the cursor to finish changing is too long. Also, it was badly designed for user experience. Backing up things is impossible.

Alternatives are to abandon Mac, which I have no interest in doing.

[Inverness]

BootCamp?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Novo

Mac requires a native RC.

Virtualizing Windows to use the native RC is way too resource-hogging for a portable. In all dimensions: Disk Space, CPU, and Memory. My system goes to a sluggish speed in these cases. Backing up things is also near impossible (communications from mother os to virtualized os is difficult)

In-game client-rc is immensely slow... And I have time to write an entire line of code before I see the beginning of the line start to form. If I do a typo, I have to move the cursor to the point of interest to work, because waiting for the cursor to finish changing is too long. Also, it was badly designed for user experience. Backing up things is impossible.

Alternatives are to abandon Mac, which I have no interest in doing.

The Intel version of Graal, with external windows, is waaaaay better. However, it's still not as good as the Windows RC.

I'm with you, but unfortunately, Stefan has said Windows won't be getting offline RC updates, which means that Mac will NEVER get any kind of offline tools.

Originally Posted by Inverness

BootCamp?

He wants a Mac RC, not a way to run Windows

I have to use Boot Camp to develop, unfortunately.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

I'm with you, but unfortunately, Stefan has said Windows won't be getting offline RC updates, which means that Mac will NEVER get any kind of offline tools.

This is true, the only thing Mac will be getting is the external scripted windows when they're released in 2010.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Inverness

This is true, the only thing Mac will be getting is the external scripted windows when they're released in 2010.

Which, since they're still slow, are utterly useless.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Which, since they're still slow, are utterly useless.

They aren't TOO bad, but they need some improvement.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Inverness

BootCamp?

BootCamp is worse than Parallels... Not only do you require more disk space to run it, you're locked out of all your music / apps / settings. Also... I'm a bit windows-claustrophobic. I just feel like I'm being contained in Windows, and it's a real icky feeling... It makes me not want to program at all.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Novo

Mac requires a native RC.

Virtualizing Windows to use the native RC is way too resource-hogging for a portable. In all dimensions: Disk Space, CPU, and Memory. My system goes to a sluggish speed in these cases. Backing up things is also near impossible (communications from mother os to virtualized os is difficult)

In-game client-rc is immensely slow... And I have time to write an entire line of code before I see the beginning of the line start to form. If I do a typo, I have to move the cursor to the point of interest to work, because waiting for the cursor to finish changing is too long. Also, it was badly designed for user experience. Backing up things is impossible.

Alternatives are to abandon Mac, which I have no interest in doing.

Other alternative is to abandon Graal

Don't hold your breath. People have been asking for a Mac RC, Gani editor, and, most of all, level editor, for years, despite the fact that Apple has a site dedicated to Graal

[Inverness]

Excaliber, please learn what about what you're talking about before you start sprouting off incorrect information about it.

Chris has beta tested the external windows for Mac, not you obviously.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Excaliber, please learn what about what you're talking about before you start sprouting off incorrect information about it.

Chris has beta tested the external windows for Mac, not you obviously.

And found them to be slower than the windows version, thus flawed.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

And found them to be slower than the windows version, thus flawed.

Sucks for you then.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Sucks for you then.

Which has pretty much been the reply to Mac players from cyberjoueurs.
Even though we still pay the same amount

[DustyPorViva]

Stefan just don't do external tools no more. Just gotta suck it up, I guess.

[excaliber7388]

Java wouldn't bee too bad. At least it would be a dedicated application and external
Part of the problem is that the scripted ones also rely on an internet connection (and a fast one at that), which I rarely have at school.
The main reason I stopped paying them for gold/vip and a playerworld was because these tools ran horrifically slow on my school's network. Not worth the money if I can only sit back for a minute ever time I try to open an npc to place a tile.

The scripted tools really bite, they aren't the answer. We need real, native applications. I've had some requests to start developing again, and I would in a heartbeat, if I knew there would be some good dev tools I could use. But the last time I tried to use the Mac rc and level editor, it was terrible. Terrible enough for me to quit graal and leave Dark Rival (which I had worked on for over a year) to rot.

[DustyPorViva]

I like how it seems to be only GST that support scripted tools.