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Old 03-22-2016, 06:08 AM
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Ip detection

We have secured login to graal servers, it is no more allowed to login using a Proxy or a Vpn.

Please use your normal DSL to connect to Graal servers.

We are still working on the proxy detection, if you can't login on graal servers and your IP is not a proxy or VPN please contact me by PM: provide your IP and your graal account in the message.

Thanks for your understanding.

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Old 03-22-2016, 08:20 AM
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Does this apply to the iServers too?
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Old 03-22-2016, 08:47 AM
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For now it is only Pc servers but we will extend to iServers.

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Does this apply to the iServers too?
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are the people on iservers using VPNs that much?
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Old 03-23-2016, 05:25 AM
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are the people on iservers using VPNs that much?
Yes, mostly by hackers and pedos to evade bans.
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For now it is only Pc servers but we will extend to iServers.
oo iServers too?

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Old 03-23-2016, 06:26 PM
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Is this a ban evasion measure, an anti-cheating measure or both? It makes sense as a ban evasion measure.

Meanwhile, a lot of people claim use of VPNs to gain an unfair advantage in spars and other competitive activities. For anti-cheating it makes more sense to use latency and packet loss metrics to implement restrictions on participation in competitive activities like sparring. A month or two back I was having >1000ms lag without VPN or proxies, and I wouldn't think it fun for anyone to spar against me under those conditions. I'm used to seeing 350-400ms used for restrictions on other MMOs.
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For anti-cheating it makes more sense to use latency and packet loss metric
That would only work if the server was reliable and consistent. After this maintenance it will be interesting to see how it performs.
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Old 03-24-2016, 04:27 PM
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That would only work if the server was reliable and consistent. After this maintenance it will be interesting to see how it performs.
Not if you make the threshold a statistical variable based on a running sample of the latency and packet loss of randomly selected players.
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Not if you make the threshold a statistical variable based on a running sample of the latency and packet loss of randomly selected players.
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Old 03-24-2016, 05:26 PM
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Packet loss: the amount of data being sent between the game server and the game client the fails to reach its destination. This is high when you see something like someone on one side of the spar ring suddenly appear on the other side of the spar ring. I don't know if Graal provides a means of measuring packet loss.

Latency: the time it takes for data to be sent between the game server and the client. This is high when you see things like a player having to swing where the other person is going rather than where they are.

Running Random Sample of Packet Loss and Latency: making random measures of packet loss and latency (e.g. check lag of one randomly selected player, the lag of another randomly selected player, and so on) over time to create an unbiased data set, using the sum of the data to account for natural variation in lag.

From that random data sample, you can create variable thresholds for ping and packet loss, which you can then set to a value such that a player exceeding that threshold and being unable to spar (or kicked from spar) would occur 5% of the time if the threshold were to be applied to the players in the random sample (the 5% spec can be raised or lowered). I have a weighted reservoir sampling algorithm that I posted to Graalians that could be used for the sampling.

So you have that threshold that's calculated from the sampling, call it A. You also have a threshold where it stops being a major issue (e.g. average 350ms ping), call it B. When A < B (e.g. A=20ms; B=350ms), then threshold B applies. Otherwise if A > B (e.g. A=450ms; B=350ms) threshold A applies.

Does that make more sense?

Here's a screenshot of a spreadsheet I made to help illustrate the logic.

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Old 03-24-2016, 12:49 AM
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It would be wonderful if you could fix the disconnect problem on PC servers. Thanks.
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Old 03-30-2016, 11:15 AM
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