Event's

[Deophite18]

Iv probably mentioned this before but it was a long time ago and im getting sick of it. I win events fair and square and through skill. People get mad when i win more than one event in a row and then the EM restricts me from entering. Its unfair that because i am better at some people at events that i am not allowed to participate and win prizes. I do not enter events because i "want" to play. I enter them because i want EC's and items. Thats like telling an olympic runner he can only participate in one race because otherwise he will just win all the gold medals and thats not fair to the other countries. THAT would be unfair. Im sorry but this is just BS .

[Chris]

Does it really matter?

[kia345]

yes it does matter. he should be aloud to play as much as he wants. its his right to showboat.

whats next? restricting neojenova from sparring?

if he can win, let him win.

[ViperZakuto]

as long as you are not directly causing any problems, you should not be restricted from gameplay.

[Valder]

Personally, I agree with the ET members from disallowing you to participate in some events. It's not fair to other players if you win every single event. Let other players have a chance at getting a "leet" item, or EC's.

[Crimson2005]

Originally Posted by Valder

Personally, I agree with the ET members from disallowing you to participate in some events. It's not fair to other players if you win every single event. Let other players have a chance at getting a "leet" item, or EC's.

thats only what people who suck say tbh

[cyan3]

I think you should be allowed to win more than 1 event, if your good at it and nobody else is its not your falt your better than them they will just have to try and get better than you to win not tell the Event Master to stop you doing the events.

[Ravenblade1979]

Actually Since yesterday was Valentine's day Stefan happened to come on and give me 20 valentine's day wands and I was trying to spread them. I didn't know that he had won two. Someone had pointed this out to me and said he really shouldn't have won the second. This other person already won one and said they wanted another because Deo also won a second one. How fair is this? A new item out and I let Deo take part in all the events just so he can win them all? Its not fair. Other people need a chance to win the thing too.

Don't complain Deo at least you won two...your the only person who actually did win two. Besides what made you think I was doing events to hand out ec's. Bjorn wasn't on yesterday so I could get a em bag refill. Oh Deo did you forget to mention that the events were for the valentine's day wand. I think that would change everything. But seriously I only restrict someone from winning twice in a row in kart racing. I have the rule of "Win a race and sit one out". Only way I restrict people.

But when it comes to a new item and you got one from a event don't enter again. Not when other ppl could be winning one for themselves. Its selfish. But I admit you are a good competitior at waterglass. Was shocked. Only grir, storm and you so far I have seen get 1k at it.

[Waltz5]

See to me this is where the Raffle can be put to good use. You want to spread the wands around, and objectively. Raffle gives you the best chance of both while keeping everyone happy.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

See to me this is where the Raffle can be put to good use. You want to spread the wands around, and objectively. Raffle gives you the best chance of both while keeping everyone happy.

Yeah in theory it does but you have a good chance of repeat winners. Take it from me I know this.

[Ravenblade1979]

Oh yeah Deo I forgot to mention in my othe rpost but I was trying to be fair..give everyone a chance to get one.

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Actually Since yesterday was Valentine's day Stefan happened to come on and give me 20 valentine's day wands and I was trying to spread them. I didn't know that he had won two. Someone had pointed this out to me and said he really shouldn't have won the second. This other person already won one and said they wanted another because Deo also won a second one. How fair is this? A new item out and I let Deo take part in all the events just so he can win them all? Its not fair. Other people need a chance to win the thing too.

Don't complain Deo at least you won two...your the only person who actually did win two. Besides what made you think I was doing events to hand out ec's. Bjorn wasn't on yesterday so I could get a em bag refill. Oh Deo did you forget to mention that the events were for the valentine's day wand. I think that would change everything. But seriously I only restrict someone from winning twice in a row in kart racing. I have the rule of "Win a race and sit one out". Only way I restrict people.

But when it comes to a new item and you got one from a event don't enter again. Not when other ppl could be winning one for themselves. Its selfish. But I admit you are a good competitior at waterglass. Was shocked. Only grir, storm and you so far I have seen get 1k at it.

I actually won four wands. 2 From you. One on another account since you restricted me to enter as myself. And one from Proto which he refused to give me because i already won some. He gave it to 2nd place and gave me something to compensate. Iv NEVER been on a server that wouldn't allow someone to enter certain events because they won 1 or 2 events beforehand. That is absurd. There was like 40 wands given out...so what if i won several of them. This isn't just about Valentines day. It's happened several times in the past. Sam has restricted me from entering some of events after winning beforehand. You have no right whatsoever to talk about fairness when you do something like this.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

I actually won four wands. 2 From you. One on another account since you restricted me to enter as myself. And one from Proto which he refused to give me because i already won some. He gave it to 2nd place and gave me something to compensate. Iv NEVER been on a server that wouldn't allow someone to enter certain events because they won 1 or 2 events beforehand. That is absurd. There was like 40 wands given out...so what if i won several of them. This isn't just about Valentines day. It's happened several times in the past. Sam has restricted me from entering some of events after winning beforehand. You have no right whatsoever to talk about fairness when you do something like this.

I do have a right to talk about fairness. A new item was just brought out...was it FAIR that you won more then one when other ppl were begging me to host more event just so they have the chance to get 1 for themselves. was it FAIR that i had another ask me for another wand since you won two. I didn't mean to be restrictive to you. In fact I did it to someone else so someone different could have a FAIR chance at getting one.
I only had 20 wands and 5 more today. I didn't know proto got 20. I only knew for when I was online. i had to be FAIR to everyone..not just little deo who wanted more then one. How would you feel if player x won event after event and got the new item out and you didn't get one. How is that FAIR. In all fairness i did the right thing. if you don't like how us event masters do things then don't enter our events.

We decided to be fair to everyone and give them a chance to win one. The person was right who pointed it out that EVERYONE should get a chance to win one..not just deo. I can talk about fairness because I know what it is. Apparently you have no idea what it is...all you see is that we were being unfair and restricted you from events or didn't give you anymore valentines day wands. Stop being selfish....at least we were thinking of others. What your gonna argue now that others would have gotten them...at what price...tell me that deo. Sam restricting you maybe had to do with him wanting others to win..you know how many complaints I get if the same person wins. When Paul was solely winning kart races half the ppl who enter now wouldn't because he would always win. So i put restrictions not on just him but everyone and ppl are happy now. Why can't you just accept that yesterday we didn't want u to hog all the valentines day wands. I have no problem with this. I can't see how me trying to be fair to other ppl is making you like this. I didn't say you couldn't enter other events. I said you couldn't win anymore valentines day wands. I had other things I could have given you as a prize.

[Waltz5]

I think that if the real objective is to spread the items out, it should be done in a fashion that does not penalize players for being good at an event, or doing the event so much they have it figured out.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

I think that if the real objective is to spread the items out, it should be done in a fashion that does not penalize players for being good at an event, or doing the event so much they have it figured out.

hmmm not even gonna answer this. Your idea would probably be a raffle. which in theory is good but isn't as fair as you would think

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

hmmm not even gonna answer this.

You mass on GK too comment on this, yet you're not going to try and refute what I say? I'm not going to cry for disagreeing with me... but atleast say something.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

You mass on GK too comment on this, yet you're not going to try and refute what I say? I'm not going to cry for disagreeing with me... but atleast say something.

Ok I will just say this. I don't want to be in a argument with a fellow events master. Yes we need to be more fair but there is just no way..lets look at some events. Musical chairs - 1 winner. yes its nice that you give out 3 prizes but there is no need to do that. Waterglass - 1 winner, labrynth the same, kart racing the same per race. Raffle would be the absolute only way to be fair if we went ur way. But even that isn't the case. i have seen 20 ppl there and the same 5 ppl win prizes.

We can be as fair as we want. you have your way of doing things and i have recieved no complaints about you nor about proto and thats a good thing. I really don't care if ppl complain about me personally. We Em's have our own ways of doing things. yours is just as right as mine. proto's is just as right as yours or mine....but to be totally objective i think staff would need to put in place a script that per day would record what account won the event and what prize they would recieve for it and that was that..they wouldn't recieve the same prize. So that way there would be none of this arguing about fairness or objectivity. We can only do so much. The fairest and most objective way i have found is event dungeon or rp event where i tend to give everyone a prize if I can.

[dNeonb]

If someone can win let him win, I'd say and don't restrict him for all of these events.

I also hosted several metris events and so far noone got a higher score... But I still take part in those

But I think it's ok if someone wins something like a cart event (happened a few times already) we announced before that the winner will not take place in the next race in the ranking. Means, he was able to drive the race but if he won the 2nd place got the 1st one and the 3rd the 2nd one and so on.
That's what events should be about, FUN. Not only items..

[Valder]

Originally Posted by dNeonb

If someone can win let him win, I'd say and don't restrict him for all of these events.

I also hosted several metris events and so far noone got a higher score... But I still take part in those

But I think it's ok if someone wins something like a cart event (happened a few times already) we announced before that the winner will not take place in the next race in the ranking. Means, he was able to drive the race but if he won the 2nd place got the 1st one and the 3rd the 2nd one and so on.
That's what events should be about, FUN. Not only items..

Having fun in Events left a long time ago. All they are about is getting items. The more items you have, the more popular people think you are and the more powerful you become. This is why GK only has 40 players at a time on anymore.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Valder

Having fun in Events left a long time ago. All they are about is getting items. The more items you have, the more popular people think you are and the more powerful you become. This is why GK only has 40 players at a time on anymore.

Bingo and I have brought this up several times. Look at deo and complaining about us apparently "restricting" him. I wanted to be fair and let others have a chance to get the wand too.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by dNeonb

If someone can win let him win, I'd say and don't restrict him for all of these events.

I also hosted several metris events and so far noone got a higher score... But I still take part in those

But I think it's ok if someone wins something like a cart event (happened a few times already) we announced before that the winner will not take place in the next race in the ranking. Means, he was able to drive the race but if he won the 2nd place got the 1st one and the 3rd the 2nd one and so on.
That's what events should be about, FUN. Not only items..

I actually didn't restrict him from entering but i did say he couldn't win another valentines day wand. I wanted to be fair. But these days its all about the prizes. Thats why I do rp events ....to make it fun. now get on gk..been waiting for a refill..lol.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

which in theory is good but isn't as fair as you would think

Why do you feel that way?

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Why do you feel that way?

Next time quote the whole thing or is that the whole thing. Well I have seen raffles go where only 2 or 3 ppl constantly won..how fair is that?

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Bingo and I have brought this up several times. Look at deo and complaining about us apparently "restricting" him. I wanted to be fair and let others have a chance to get the wand too.

Others DO have a chance to win wands. They simply have to beat me. Whether you choose to except it or not the main reason people enter events is to try and beat everyone and win the prize. Sure its fun to sometimes but i seriously doubt you would have nearly as many participants without a prize. I enter events to compete for the prizes. The fact that one person is better than some people at certain events should never be held against them. And no you can't talk about fairness when you refuse to give someone a prize for winning an event FAIR AND SQUARE.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Next time quote the whole thing or is that the whole thing.

That is the point I was questioning. I'm trying to be specific.

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Well I have seen raffles go where only 2 or 3 ppl constantly won..how fair is that?

That wasn't because the EM determined the winner, those were the chances. Perhaps Bjorn would post the a snippet of the script which determines the winning ticket so that we can all see it's fair?

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

stuff

I understand Raffles are not 100% fool proof, but they are objective. Perhaps some sort of serverwide raffle over a few days with multiple winners would be more appropriate then for items similar to these.

[zell12]

Originally Posted by dNeonb

If someone can win let him win, I'd say and don't restrict him for all of these events.

I also hosted several metris events and so far noone got a higher score... But I still take part in those

But I think it's ok if someone wins something like a cart event (happened a few times already) we announced before that the winner will not take place in the next race in the ranking. Means, he was able to drive the race but if he won the 2nd place got the 1st one and the 3rd the 2nd one and so on.
That's what events should be about, FUN. Not only items..

How we supposed to get a good score on metris, when you get disconnected for not moving? ;o

[Chris]

Originally Posted by dNeonb

That's what events should be about, FUN. Not only items..

That isn't the case with the initial post in this thread. It was about about whoring items.

[kia345]

how's anyone going to get good if you restrict the better people?

[Valder]

Originally Posted by kia345

how's anyone going to get good if you restrict the better people?

Because restricting the already "all-powerful" makes it so the lesser players have a chance at becoming "all-powerful".

[kia345]

then they won't have a challenge.

if they become the best then what happens to the real best players?

or will staff restrict someone everytime they become 'all powerful'?

[Valder]

Originally Posted by kia345

then they won't have a challenge.

if they become the best then what happens to the real best players?

or will staff restrict someone everytime they become 'all powerful'?

I'm not saying that, but honestly, the proof is in the pudding for lack of a better term. When GK first came out it had about 200 players a day. Then after a handful of players became the "best" a lot of newbies who pretty much didn't have a chance quit. Now GK has less than 50 players on a good day.

[kia345]

funny, other servers have been just like that. perhaps when gk came out those 200 people wanted to check it out. when a server comes out people flock to it in the beginning.

and restriciting people wont help gk. theyll tell their friends and itll eventually spread that gks staff are 'corrupt' and if you are too good they get rid of you.

if staff are going to restrict good event players from events, then restrict good fighters from fighting, good sailors from sailing and good kings form leading their kingdom. dont half ass it. if you plan on getting rid of the best at events, take out the best at everything so other people can have a chance at that.

no, that isnt supposed to make sense, but neither does restricting good event players.

[Valder]

Originally Posted by kia345

funny, other servers have been just like that. perhaps when gk came out those 200 people wanted to check it out. when a server comes out people flock to it in the beginning.

and restriciting people wont help gk. theyll tell their friends and itll eventually spread that gks staff are 'corrupt' and if you are too good they get rid of you.

if staff are going to restrict good event players from events, then restrict good fighters from fighting, good sailors from sailing and good kings form leading their kingdom. dont half ass it. if you plan on getting rid of the best at events, take out the best at everything so other people can have a chance at that.

no, that isnt supposed to make sense, but neither does restricting good event players.

Your way of thinking is stupid. Deophite was trying to win all the Valentine's Rods. He already obtained 2 of them, it was only fair to tell him that he couldn't win any more so that other people had a chance to get one of their own. No one ever said that you had to restrict the best person from doing what they're good at, but if they already have won the event, gotten the prize already, then someone else should have a chance at getting it. This is how the economy get's screwed up and why items are so rediculously overpriced.

[kia345]

if he can win, he deserves them.
that was my point.

if someone is able to do something, let them do it to the best of their abilities. im one of the new players that lose to him and i dont see it as upsetting the economy, or as never being able to win because hes better than me. i see it as "oh look, hes way better than me, look how many wands and ec he won. i should do better to be like that guy one day"

and does it really matter if he won 17 of the valentines wands? they didnt have stats and the gfx wasnt really that great, they were just rare.

and if him getting all these rare items is upsetting the economy, heres a thought: get rid of them. get rid of all the unbalanced items. reset the server. if items are going to cause such a problem restart and give everyone fair chance.

or let people get what they earn. that seems like the right thing to do.

[Valder]

Originally Posted by kia345

if he can win, he deserves them.
that was my point.

if someone is able to do something, let them do it to the best of their abilities. im one of the new players that lose to him and i dont see it as upsetting the economy, or as never being able to win because hes better than me. i see it as "oh look, hes way better than me, look how many wands and ec he won. i should do better to be like that guy one day"

and does it really matter if he won 17 of the valentines wands? they didnt have stats and the gfx wasnt really that great, they were just rare.

and if him getting all these rare items is upsetting the economy, heres a thought: get rid of them. get rid of all the unbalanced items. reset the server. if items are going to cause such a problem restart and give everyone fair chance.

or let people get what they earn. that seems like the right thing to do.

Resetting the server has been discussed and many people want it to happen. That is, the people that DON'T have all the rare items. This argument is getting nowhere fast. The GK economy has been unbalanced since pretty much it's start and the fact that the server is pretty much dead to begin with is proof that not many people wanna play it anyway.

[kia345]

i think a restart is stupid too. let it be unbalanced. in one way or another people earned those items.

[Raziel]

Lyon of France has been winning the league title for years on end, and grossly. And yet, the French Football Federation (I'm talking about REAL football that doesn't involve helmets) doesn't tell them they can't participate or that they can only participate for fun. They get the damn title over and over and effing over! And if nobody else can compete, that's just life.


Oh...and,
A restart will not happen. Just give up.

[Stephen]

I don't really see where the problem is - Deophite already won a rod, and to make the event more enjoyable for everyone else he was limited from winning anymore. "omg but what if we did that this this this and this"... well, GK doesn't. It's not going to see that a player is level 110 and restrict it from participating, etc. That's just really silly. It works well for events, doesn't work well in other situations - GK staff don't apply it to other situations, so where's the prob, Bob?

Originally Posted by Raziel

They get the damn title over and over and effing over! And if nobody else can compete, that's just life.

Yea, where people need to earn a living and it's a competitive game. The difference here is the games on GK are entertainment-only, which serve the general user base. They're supposed to be fun, not an elitist grinding stone.

[Ravenblade1979]

Ok plain and simple. He won two and other people wanted to win one. I had every right to tell him he couldn't win more. Its not fair to other people who want a new item. What would he have done? Hoarded them till the price went up? Sold them for 50+ dias?? Answer that. Its not fair to other ppl. Deo's just whining because I wasn't stupid enough to keep letting him win it. Neither was Proto