Scripting Help?
 

For pete sake, what is so wrong with players asking for help.. Seriously its okay for a newbie LAT to ask for help on his/her level but god forbid someone trying to actually learn and develop for Graal has a question.. Everyone has a reply of a quote about the forum rules about it..

I really think it should be changed.. If the player needs help.. give it to him, if you don't want to help him/her, simply ignore it and don't post.

I think it's to help with your learning. No free scripts so you figure it out yourself.

btw, I learned how to script from nothing by the predefined NPCs, and then refined it through reading posts here. That was before i even had a p2p account.

Best way to learn would be to read the guides posted by other users. If you're not willing to learn that way, then it's pretty obvious that you just want everything done for you.

Helping is one thing, people asking for whole scripts is another.
There are good reasons for those rules

I know but still, they SHOULD be helped..

Yeah agreed.. but most people think if they ask a question that they need help on.. they think they're giving them the script..

I learned by going through the old level pack that used to be provided with Graal and messing with scripts. I loved my little beer mug boomerang... :(

Sadly, you just can't learn that way anymore.

People who ask for scripts are just going to use them; they don't try to learn off of them.

I'd ask for a completed script so I could see how you made it. Then I'd be able to learn from it.

Well usually if it's something simple I'll script it for them even though it's against the rules to ask, but if it's a complex system and I know they just want it for their server and they're not even going to learn off of it then they can forget it. Sadly I've been negative repped quite a few times just for helping people like that.

Seriously, I had a door and a light to go off of. With that, and the commands listed on the side, I learned most of GS1. Took me until I started posting and reading threads here to understand the serverside thing.
Now, I don't think that's a good way to learn, the best would be to read the guides.

The rules were put in place so that people wouldn't just steal scripts and not learn from them. Maybe someone will be nice and PM you one, but what's so hard about reading the guides? They're a lot better than trying to learn from other peoples scripts. If you ask for a script, it's probably because you plan to use it.

There are plenty of scripts to learn from in the Code Gallery.

It really is up to the community to provide the resources for the new guys. Either via the Wiki or other (like my page), its the only way new people can learn.

I got this far, but I can't figure out how to finish it to make it an online level editor with support for a custom tileset with support for layers. Finish it please?

Copy cat :frown:

Mine's this far:

I have no issue whatsoever with using pseudocode to demonstrate a point, neither do I have any issue with people explaining every excruciating detail on how to do something. What I do object to is people who expect others to do the work for them, which is why those two rules are there. If we just paste a full script, we don't know if it will just get copied, pasted and used with no further observation - in which case, nothing learned, nothing gained. In that case, it would have been better for someone to have hired a scripter for their server instead of using someone else's time for your own means. Similarly, people posting very long scripts and asking people to fix them doesn't help the situation either, since you should be taking it steps at a time and trying to understand small sections. Walking before you run. People should be learning the routine steps of scripting. For instance, a lot of posts in the scripting forum would be resolved if people would just learn to read the wiki or /scripthelp in RC.

There's a big difference between asking "Can someone explain how to X?" which is acceptable, and "Can someone do Y for me?" which isn't. If you feel that you need some reference material to look at, then there is plenty of scripting in the code gallery to browse (although you may need to tweak the forum settings to show posts further in the past to see more), and there are documents on the Graal Bible also. I really don't see it necessary to change the rules.

I don't want the rules changed, I think making it a little bit more clear would be a bit better Skyld.

I think he just made it clear enough :p.

I don't mind the posts about asking for help, if someone's willing to actually do the code for them then why not?
It's a rule that I don't like personally.

If you wanted, you could just code what it is that the person wanted and then post it in the Code gallery and then just link it up. ^^^^^^

yeah, exactly.
there's no need to bash people and neg rep them because they gave someone a code. some people like to script and would not mind handing things out.

Scripting is logic, you just need the right cmds

I could script my own game if I wanted to...but I can't be assed to do all the work :o, so I stick to graphics

What I have a problem with is people who expect people to give them code because they aren't prepared to do the work themselves. That doesn't help anybody, and they should be hiring a scripter instead of abusing the scripting forums to obtain their coding.

People neg rep others for giving out scripts?

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If you do that please tell me who you are so I know who to look out for.

Yeah seriously wth?

Yeah, they do :\

I've actually gotten negative rep in the Code Gallery.

I got neutral reputation for this post, with the message: "no we dont, we neg you."

Obviously someone doesn't have the courage to leave their name.

Wasn't me I swear.

Negative rep for posting scripts.....


Doesn't that defeat the entire PURPOSE of the script section?

Happened for me as well...

It's because they had less then 5 reputation points (most likely someone with a red tick)

I gave you some positive rep, though it'll be neutral of course since I've got like 2 rep points due to a certain forum admin, and other certain forum moderators :)

Yeah, I got neg-repped for handing out code, how dumb.
And it's anonymous too. :asleep:

I could give you like 8 but I already repped you recently :frown:.

I guess graphic artists should stop posting their finished work then, huh?

Yep, we should all just shut down and stop posting anything we've ever made.

FEWL.

Scripting/Programming are an out of the ordinary form of logic,
It's not something you can just read the commands, and poof, there's a game/script, you have to understand the core logic behind the command,
where it should be used, and such.


Scripting isn't just a kiddy game like most of you graphic artists think it is, it takes an advanced level of thinking and reasoning, and a very out of the box thought process.

I would be more inclined to take this seriously if it was not coming from someone with the custom title "Hardcore Programmer". Elitist much?

If people learn that programming is easy, I'll be out of a job.

So shut up everyone! Programming is tough ****. I stay up at night crying because I can't figure out a program. Don't learn any programming language with a C in it!

Okay, I think we're safe. The masses won't learn how to use the terminal (or where to find it), and we'll continue to be safe.