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Pelikano 06-15-2009 09:14 AM

Disconnected because you didn't move
 
Hi,

I think this should be removed, it just brings down the playercount of some servers, making players not even log on in the first place.

Why not let the players just idle? Maybe then more people would be attracted to leave the Login server, even if it's just for idling.

oo_jazz_oo 06-15-2009 09:18 AM

Well, thats up to the individual servers really....obviously they dont want you idling...which is stupid anyways, because you know 70% of the playercount usually idles anyways...

But, its not like the servers are being forced to have it...

TSAdmin 06-15-2009 10:29 AM

I don't see how you can use the argument that people not being allowed to idle on servers that have "Disconnect" enabled is the reason why the player count has dropped. If someone logs on and walks away from the computer for the next 10 hours, they might as well NOT be part of the player count. They're just a number in a statistic that is severely unbalanced in accuracy when trying to find out the statistic of how many people DO play.

Pelikano 06-15-2009 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSAdmin (Post 1499642)
I don't see how you can use the argument that people not being allowed to idle on servers that have "Disconnect" enabled is the reason why the player count has dropped. If someone logs on and walks away from the computer for the next 10 hours, they might as well NOT be part of the player count. They're just a number in a statistic that is severely unbalanced in accuracy when trying to find out the statistic of how many people DO play.

I didn't say the player count dropped because of that, I said players don't log on servers because of that, example:

I go to my PC, log on Era and take a look at the player count:

"Damn, only 12 players, sucks!"

I log out again, because I know that I'll get disconnected anyways after 15 minutes, if I idle.

Now if I could just idle as much as I wanted, I'd stay logged in and idle. Eventually 3, 5, 10 even 20? other people would do the same. Seeing as the player count raises everyone starts playing...

TSAdmin 06-15-2009 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelikano (Post 1499643)
I didn't say the player count dropped because of that, I said players don't log on servers because of that, example:

I go to my PC, log on Era and take a look at the player count:

"Damn, only 12 players, sucks!"

I log out again, because I know that I'll get disconnected anyways after 15 minutes, if I idle.

Now if I could just idle as much as I wanted, I'd stay logged in and idle. Eventually 3, 5, 10 even 20? other people would do the same. Seeing as the player count raises everyone starts playing...

Whether it was or wasn't meant to imply that the player count was down because of it, it's certainly doesn't change the rest of what I said. You logging on, seeing only 12 people, then logging off just means you're not going to play. Getting on, seeing 12 people, then leaving it idle does not improve the statistic in the slightest, nor raise it beyond what would then become an inaccurate statistic of an active player count at all.

As stated above, it's not like it can't be disabled/enabled in the first place, and 9 times out of 10, servers just prefer people did not idle around when every person on their server is partially their responsibility and just idling there in itself can become a concern.

Rufus 06-15-2009 02:18 PM

Why would you want to log onto a server that only has idle players? Perhaps your server should be looking at how to retain players with its content.

Hiro 06-15-2009 05:57 PM

it's not that hard to press a button every hour, and you can just log back on later, or, do something else in game while you wait for people to get on.

cbk1994 06-15-2009 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelikano (Post 1499643)
I go to my PC, log on Era and take a look at the player count

That'd odd, I was pretty certain your main account was banned for life on Era, as well as your other account (ban evasion).

Perhaps we'll have to start checking some things more closely ;)

maximus_asinus 06-15-2009 06:15 PM

Sometimes I find it annoying. I'll be writing a reply or two on a forum and when I check back to Graal, I find the "You have been disconnected" message. Sometimes I am idling just to get a PM back from a staff member or whatnot, being disconnected is very frustrating when that is the case.

On the flip side, Classic already has a huge problem with players idling (staff members and RCs inparticular). When you log into a server that has 15 people online, you'd expect atleast half to be responsive. Not on Classic. Disabling the auto disconnect would just make it worse. Players would see a server with 20-30 people online only to find that the majority of the server is 'AFK' forever. They'd leave and never come back.

Nataxo 06-15-2009 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1499658)
Why would you want to log onto a server that only has idle players?

This sounds familiar.

To be honest the "Disconnected because you didn't move" is fine.... it lasts a lot of time... sometimes even enough to eat and comeback to play.

There are other games that disconnects you if you dont move for like 40 secs so...o.o

DustyPorViva 06-15-2009 06:59 PM

Only time it's a problem is when you're a developer :/

Elk 06-15-2009 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1499726)
Only time it's a problem is when you're a developer :/

Yeah, when you're busy with anything and someone pms you and you have no time and you get disconnected, you wouldn't know who it was :O

Pelikano 06-15-2009 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1499704)
That'd odd, I was pretty certain your main account was banned for life on Era, as well as your other account (ban evasion).

Perhaps we'll have to start checking some things more closely ;)

hi,

discussing bans on the forums is illegal, apperentially you haven't read the forum rules, now, have you?

oh and:

Quote:

Definition of Example: model: a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example"
For the dumber ones under us ;)


Oh and how about editing that time? Making it longer?

papajchris 06-15-2009 08:03 PM

I don't like the fact that even if you are answering pms, you will still get d/c for not moving. There are times when i would be answerign pm after pm and then get d/c and lose all the replies >:(

cbk1994 06-15-2009 09:32 PM

RC staff have more than the normal 15 minutes, I think. It's something like 30 minutes, though that can still be annoying, since I don't tend to move when I'm scripting.

LordSquirt 06-15-2009 09:47 PM

I think it's a server decision whether or not to allow players to idle or not. Since I remember when Malinko removed the disconnecting after # of minutes on UN.

Bell 06-15-2009 10:19 PM

Malinko was just trying to make it look like UN had a lot of players on it so they would log onto UN instead of one of the other servers. Then we started getting complaints about people having false online time because of it so I made him put the disconnecting back on.

It also made it more difficult for the GP's to spot people using mining bots since 80% of the server was idling anyway. At one point it was changed so that rc's didn't disconnect for idling because of the whole development issue but somewhere along the line that seems to have changed.

DarkCloud_PK 06-16-2009 01:12 AM

You could always disable the default one and script your own that dictates its own rules and regulations on who is disconnected(serverwarped to login) and when, and what is considered 'not moving'.

Pelikano 06-16-2009 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bell (Post 1499782)
Malinko was just trying to make it look like UN had a lot of players on it so they would log onto UN instead of one of the other servers. Then we started getting complaints about people having false online time because of it so I made him put the disconnecting back on.

He was very smart.

maximus_asinus 06-16-2009 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelikano (Post 1499845)
He was very smart.

You might be the only person in history that'll use that word to describe him.

Luda 06-16-2009 04:20 PM

One time... I escaped from a hospital..

cbk1994 06-17-2009 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelikano (Post 1499845)
He was very smart.

Did you know him? :noob:

fragman85 06-17-2009 09:00 PM

Ok I'll rephrase:

His MOVE was very smart :D

Rufus 06-17-2009 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fragman85 (Post 1500051)
Ok I'll rephrase:

His MOVE was very smart :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelikano (Post 1499744)
apperentially you haven't read the forum rules, now, have you?

Apparently neither have you. Dumb move.

Mark Sir Link 06-17-2009 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luda (Post 1499905)
One time... I escaped from a hospital..

Oh yea? Well, one time, I threatened a nurse with a razor I snuck into the hospital with me, then escaped!

Frankie 06-18-2009 12:03 AM

I hate how sometimes I get an access violation when I get disconnected for not moving. that is so annoying.

TheJames 07-16-2009 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1499704)
That'd odd, I was pretty certain your main account was banned for life on Era, as well as your other account (ban evasion).

Perhaps we'll have to start checking some things more closely ;)

Off Topic: Can we re-ban him? ^^

Topic: If a bunch of people just sit there and idle. Players start to stack and stack and thus that means lag! Also it isnt fair really for people applying for things. People who hire usually check out hours. If someone has cable. They can gain hours all day 'erday. If someone has dial up. Well; you get the point :p

Crono 07-16-2009 10:52 AM

if u disabl this u wil hav more playercount

Nelm 07-16-2009 11:13 AM

ill disabl u corno!11!!

Scary_Sock 07-16-2009 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJames (Post 1507757)
Off Topic: Can we re-ban him? ^^

I vote for Yes.

But really, you should be disconnected for not moving in a certain amount of time. If not, we would have ALOT of idlers in many servers.

Pelikano 07-16-2009 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJames (Post 1507757)
Off Topic: Can we re-ban him? ^^

Topic: If a bunch of people just sit there and idle. Players start to stack and stack and thus that means lag! Also it isnt fair really for people applying for things. People who hire usually check out hours. If someone has cable. They can gain hours all day 'erday. If someone has dial up. Well; you get the point :p

Didn't you say you don't care about your ET position at all?
Now that you're fired you've been crying 24/7? Haha.

Please close this thread btw. D:

cbk1994 07-16-2009 04:32 PM

Admins/mods shouldn't be closing thread on the thread creator's request. Just because they think a discussion is over doesn't mean they should end it. They don't own the discussion, the community does. They even have a day to delete the entire thread from the moment they make the first post.

Just because they don't like the way the thread is going doesn't mean they should be able to have it closed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJames (Post 1507757)
Off Topic: Can we re-ban him? ^^

He's already banned for life, again, as of yesterday.

Scary_Sock 07-16-2009 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelikano (Post 1507795)
Didn't you say you don't care about your ET position at all?
Now that you're fired you've been crying 24/7? Haha.

Please close this thread btw. D:

We all know you doctored that photo. I wouldn't imagine an ET stupid enough to take off their tag infront of a player, and that could of been an accident. Your banned for life again. Third time in a row.

Whats worse is, you kept messaging me saying that you didn't care since you already got passed the two past "Life time" bans.

Also, Chris is kinda right. Just because the problem will or will not be solved, the thread will always stay open for the community to discuss it some more. You just can't get rid of something and pretend it never happend.

Hiro 07-16-2009 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelikano (Post 1507795)
Didn't you say you don't care about your ET position at all?
Now that you're fired you've been crying 24/7? Haha.

Please close this thread btw. D:

can't you edit your first post and delete it?

Shadow_Deathstorm 07-16-2009 08:32 PM

Bragging rights because I have more hours than you on a server.
That's basically all you're asking for, right?

Pelikano 07-17-2009 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scary_Sock (Post 1507814)
We all know you doctored that photo. I wouldn't imagine an ET stupid enough to take off their tag infront of a player, and that could of been an accident. Your banned for life again. Third time in a row.

Whats worse is, you kept messaging me saying that you didn't care since you already got passed the two past "Life time" bans.

Also, Chris is kinda right. Just because the problem will or will not be solved, the thread will always stay open for the community to discuss it some more. You just can't get rid of something and pretend it never happend.

The logs showed he grabbed it, <3

Not before nor after I was banned I've ever received/sent a PM to you, what are you talking about, Mr. Igrabbedahackertrap.



Btw. Chirs, you are allowed to close threads in the Era Forums, because you don't like where it's going? haha

BlueMelon 07-17-2009 02:40 AM

Horse?

There we go! Offtopicness!


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