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DazJenova 04-06-2008 07:36 PM

DazJenova's update on how the server is
 
Since this other thread got locked on the unoffical forums, with Demisis editting my posts making me look like an idiot i'll post it on here for you to decide. Look at these facts and as a players view tell me how that these arn't so very true?

Fact is:

1) Server has been the same as 6months ago with slight upgrades as to 100hp which is totally useless if your going to raise the dmg on guns up.
2) Ecomony is far more worse than what it used to be.
3) TSA won't get rid of his inactive staff because he can't be bothered to find suitable replacements which clearly is his job to do.
4) This is not about me or my management because i even tryed to fix the server but it was allready in a mess to begin with and wasen't given the chance to do so, this is about the server and the way staff treat it in general now.
5) Once staff get powers they get very lazy and don't tend to work or do anything for the server anymore because they don't get paid to work for developing and spending their time and dedication.
6) If staff feel that way then leave the server and give people who acually do have the skill and the desire to develop this server for the better.
7) Playercount is acually lower than what it used to be or simply arround the same now that KOTH or Gangwars is being hosted again which myself created gangwars which got alot of population for my era.

So look at the facts and tell me as a player why i shoudn't complain about the status of the server now?

Spikedude 04-06-2008 08:05 PM

It is true that there haven't been an abundance of updates on era. In fact, all the updates that were done for the past year are about to be undone after the reset because they aren't bringing back any of the new weapons and stuff we made before.

DazJenova 04-06-2008 08:06 PM

Indeed

Crow 04-06-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DazJenova (Post 1384534)
1) Server has been the same as 6months ago with slight upgrades as to 100hp which is totally useless if your going to raise the dmg on guns up.

100hp thing adds way more variety to damage. Some things have been changed already, the fully balanced weapons are not yet available though.

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2) Ecomony is far more worse than what it used to be.
You cant just fix the economy out of nowhere.

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3) TSA won't get rid of his inactive staff because he can't be bothered to find suitable replacements which clearly is his job to do.
TSA got rid of inactive staff just a week or two ago.

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4) This is not about me or my management because i even tryed to fix the server but it was allready in a mess to begin with and wasen't given the chance to do so, this is about the server and the way staff treat it in general now.
Huh? I would've put that to the bottom of your post or something..

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5) Once staff get powers they get very lazy and don't tend to work or do anything for the server anymore because they don't get paid to work for developing and spending their time and dedication.
I cant really comment that. Only out of my own point of view (sounds awkward, possibly wrong, but I hope you get what I mean).
Money is not a motivation for me. I script because its fun and I also learn alot. Problem is that I didnt have lots of time for Graal the last few weeks (mostly because of school).

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6) If staff feel that way then leave the server and give people who acually do have the skill and the desire to develop this server for the better.
See above, I guess.

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7) Playercount is acually lower than what it used to be or simply arround the same now that KOTH or Gangwars is being hosted again which myself created gangwars which got alot of population for my era.
"Your Era", ouch, that term hurts. Its hard to fix playercount, you know that.


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So look at the facts and tell me as a player why i shoudn't complain about the status of the server now?
Because you dont have to play Era.

DazJenova 04-07-2008 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1384575)
100hp thing adds way more variety to damage. Some things have been changed already, the fully balanced weapons are not yet available though.



You cant just fix the economy out of nowhere.



TSA got rid of inactive staff just a week or two ago.



Huh? I would've put that to the bottom of your post or something..



I cant really comment that. Only out of my own point of view (sounds awkward, possibly wrong, but I hope you get what I mean).
Money is not a motivation for me. I script because its fun and I also learn alot. Problem is that I didnt have lots of time for Graal the last few weeks (mostly because of school).



See above, I guess.



"Your Era", ouch, that term hurts. Its hard to fix playercount, you know that.




Because you dont have to play Era.

Raising the damage on guns with the HP acts exactly the same how it used to be with 2dmg, 1.5dmg etc.

Ecomony has got WORSE much worse than what it used to be.

TSA only got rid of spyder, still inactive staff as in Nuada, Maverick, Gambet, Hyde, Icarus, Uchina and even TSA stated to Wil that the reason he doesen't want to get rid of them is because he can't be bothered to find replacements, which is his job.

Not all staff feel that way yes some acually do work for the fun of it like yourself, dem, mange but the rest don't do jack****.

Yes it's hard to fix playercount but the playercount is much less than what it used to be because there is NO updates and people are getting sick and tired of the same old era it was like 6months ago.

My reign as manager not my era is what i meant, i didn't own era nor does any manager.

I want to play hence why i'm making these assumptions and showing my opinion because players are sick to death of how things are run now it's a complete joke.

TSAdmin 04-07-2008 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DazJenova (Post 1384590)
Daz's post

Maybe if you had been around, before just deciding to pop up out of nowhere just because it's obviously your hobby to piss me off every time you're around, and compare a lot of today with how it was with you, then say

"Oh, but I'm over that, it's in the past"

when obviously you're NOT over it comes accross as completely pathetic and bitter, you'd probably actually notice what has been done.

So you were removed by Globals for being a crappy manager (Not holding back on it anymore, tired of being kind to you about it), when you say "I'm over it", make sure you really are, because every time you moan to me, it always comes back to that one incident, and I'd say that is fueling you as well as blinding you to what has and hasn't changed, and how/why it has.

Playercount: If we're doing so bad as far as playercount goes, how is it that in the past 3-4 weeks, we've managed to hit the top of the server list in playercount almost every single day? If you're going to moan about our playercount, maybe you should go and check out other servers before you decide to have a go at the highest/second highest playercounting server from this and -end of- last month.

Development: Now, this is something I am getting SERIOUSLY sick of trying to get through your thick skull, and the only reason I'm going to state it for the 500th damn time is because this is not a PM, and there is more than just YOU reading it -:
The most updates the players are seeing right this minute are script based which cannot fully be covered up so as to be fun after the reset, rather than releasing all our levels/graphics/etc before it, only to have the reset come about and people knowing exactly how it's going to be and become furthermore bored faster. So you didn't see that Demisis developed a graphic, or made/fixed a gun to be (re)released. Or that Daisetsu has made ganis for said weapons.

Your assumption is - "If I don't see it happening, it is impossible that anything is happening at all" and quite frankly, no wonder Globals removed you as manager with attitudes like that seemingly surfacing, and your inability to read and comprehend in PMs exactly what I am saying here.

HP System: In actuality, while 10HP limited us to a melee weapon doing 1.5 damage, while a gun also doing 1.5 damage, 100HP DOES do something for us -:
Rather than having a bullet and a blunt instrument doing the exact same damage, we can now entirely seperate melee from gunshot. Melee being of lower damage, while gunshots being around 10x what they were with the 10HP. You need to think with logic, Daz, not just find it and use it to complain more and more.

Economy:
Refer to this post -
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...97#post1383597

I want to play:

SO PLAY. If you don't like it, DON'T PLAY. It's not a life/death decision. Now that the above problem is seemingly under control (About the economy), there's barely anything holding us back from resetting, anymore. I merely didn't want to reset knowing people knew how to screw things up so badly that quickly, and have Era in ruins within 10 minutes of the server being reopened. That's how simple it is by way of why it's taken so long. I wasn't going to LET that happen. What would you have said, then, Daz? The same crap you're saying now.

You have no idea how tempting it was to just lock/delete this thread, simply because I'm sick of playing like a broken record to your ears, only not to be heard yet again, just because you have a problem with me.

Spikedude 04-07-2008 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin (Post 1384644)
TSA's post

(This has to be broken into 2 posts because it's long)

ugh. Ok, I wasn't going to post again in this, but in the least offensive way possible, time to rip apart this entire post. First, losing your entire playercount now (I'll get to the 'playercount' issue in a minute) due to nobody seeing updates won't mean they'll all flock back immediately after the reset when you suddenly decide that it's now part of your agenda to release one or two things to entertain people. And not only that, but the fact that the only thing anyone has seen with their own two eyes in the past six months is text saying that the new management is going to delete every development in the past year because you're sick of them. Deleting the best looking guns in the game isn't the answer to solving every problem you have. And I know what your response is, so don't bother saying it. "JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE THE DEVELOPMENTS DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T EXIST!" Ok, I beleive you, you and your staff have been hard at work getting things ready for AFTER the reset, but HOW EXACTLY do you expect to hold players for BEFORE THE RESET so not everyone quits?

now, playercount. "LOOK AT THE PLAYERCOUNT, WE'VE BEEN IN TOP FOREVER NOW!" Era has ALWAYS been on the top 3 and jumping between those 3. So has Zodiac and Unholy Nation. This hasn't changed between the two managements, so don't try to flip this around. Playercount issues isn't whats happened already, it's the fact that many current players who have played for years are getting fed up with the lack of anything new to do.

HP System. You realize that you could have made things do fractions of damage before and it would have done the exact same thing...right? I can multiply things by 10 in my head too. What a great skill!

Spikedude 04-07-2008 04:45 AM

Economy:
ARE YOU SERIOUSLY BLAMING THE ENTIRE ECONOMY PROBLEM ON DUPING?! Yes, that has become a big issue, but no, that is NOT the cause of the economy sucking to all sorts of extents right now. The fact that Era houses the kinds of people who would gladly spend 12 hours every day sitting in the same spot mining so that they can make the money for a rare gun is. If you want to solve the economy, you need to continuously be taking money out of iit. Whether by having some sort of event that costs money just to enter or something of that sort, you need to be taking money away from players to keep the economy in check. Duping has caused a large portion of the current problems, but it was bad before that as well. Duping was never made public until Meph duped his billion M1s in BH base long after the economy took a steep dump downhill. I'm not suggesting for a second the economy problem is your fault, but don't pin the whole thing on the fact that people dupe. My god.

Your last comment was built completely off of pure ignorance. The fact that you're basing your entire management off of "what I say goes and what the players want will adapt" is definantly coming out in this statement. People who want to play because of the entertainment they used to have are now being shut out because they don't think it's fun anymore. So instead of listening to what they say and attempting to keep the server fun for everyone, you say "if you don't like it, don't play?" As manager, your main job is to make sure the players are having fun and to keep constant communication between the players and staff.

Now for daz, yes, I'm grilling you too.

Constantly pointing out the obvious isn't helping your case. You can say that the economy is bad as many times as you want, the entire server already knows. If you want to try to make your point, you have to explain what's wrong with the economy, how you think you should fix it, and what you think the management is currently doing wrong about it. A lot of what you've said is not at all the fault of TSA or of the management in general.

Spikedude 04-07-2008 04:47 AM

Now my personal statement:
Era does NOT need a new makeover. We don't need a new gmap, we don't need to delete everything we've ever done, we don't need to change every system in the game. We need to have a staff who is willing to work side-by-side with the players to solve every complaint, deal with every problem, and attempt to keep the entire server fun for every person who plays. This can't be done by suggesting that they'll be happy in the long run because then what happens to the 25 percent of the players who aren't happy but who would have been completely content by doing something as simple as making a command to switch between the classic gang system and the new one.

Changing everything on the server to make it into some whole new planet isn't the best thing that can be done. You should be spending your time elsewhere such as making updates for the ideas of entertainment. After all, that's what video games are for, right?


Now sorry in advance for the fact that every one of you is going to pretend to be offended as if I have actually effected your mood in a negative way or somehow changed the future and caused one of you to be banned or fired, because we all know that isn't going to happen.

Cya!

TSAdmin 04-07-2008 08:09 AM

I'm sorry to jump in and pick out a single thing to talk about, but there is something I really can't understand about the issue on the whole. New Content. Now, what I don't get about this topic is that there is a lot of complaining in here that there is "No new content", and that the same content for the past 6 years (and yes, it is 6 years, not just in the past 6 months!) is boring people and they don't want to play, okay, fair enough. I see that point, the same thing for 6 years, or even 6 months, can get fairly annoying, yet you shriek and complaing at the idea of new content such as a new GMAP (for a new feel for Era's City-Scape), new Gang stuff (since Era is a pretty much gang/pk-orientated server), and all this stuff... You want new content, but you also don't want things to change... It's becoming a merry-go-round, here.

Twinny 04-07-2008 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin (Post 1384707)
You want new content, but you also don't want things to change... It's becoming a merry-go-round, here.

I dealt with the same stupid concept on Zodiac :whatever: I couldn't even explain what they were telling me....demanding for the hell of it :x

Tigairius 04-07-2008 09:57 AM

Well, ultimately players rarely know what they want to see, they just want to be entertained. Personally, I was relieved when TSA got manager after Daz's reign of horror. Daz, you don't understand that developing things isn't as easy as, "Okay guys, DO THIS!" It takes the right people, who have time to do it, who can work together, and get things done... which only end up getting done eventually instead of immediately. While you were able to bring up some valid points, for the most part your posts are flooded with ignorance to the situation. Not to mention hiring new developers is a very difficult task as well. You can't just hire anyone off of the street, especially not on a top classic server. You have to be careful of who you hire, and they have to know what they're doing or it ends up making the server look bad. You can't honestly say "the server has been the same for 6months," simply because it hasn't.

Crow 04-07-2008 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1384709)
Well, ultimately players rarely know what they want to see, they just want to be entertained.

Thats the problem. They want to have something to do, but they are pissed when you get completely new content because they dont have the old stuff they all loved so much. Also, when staff/management is changing stuff without always asking players they always cry/send in useless support tickets (thats a rumor, but most likely true). I agree that players should be asked on certain things, or that players should have the option to use something or not (if thats possible!), but there are things that dont require player input, at all, because its too important or the input would be stupid. Or both.

Spikedude 04-07-2008 08:47 PM

The purpose of the server is to entertain the majority of players. If you do everything without even considering what the players might want, you will start to lose players and therefore the server will fail. And as for the content you upload, the people on the server just want something new to do at all times. Take a look at the most successful game in the country, however much I may hate it, World of Warcraft. They constantly add something new, whether it's a new quest, a new area on the map, a new weapon. Every tuesday, something new will be on the game. They never go back and delete everything from before and redo from the beginning. That's what Era needs to do. We need to consistently update the server with new content, not change or delete what's already there. Maybe one day we'll add a quest and a week later we'll add a new addition to the GMAP with a few new houses and the week after that we'll add a weapon shop with 2 brand new guns and a new hat. These brand new additions will give players that feeling that they need to buy everything to keep up with everyone else, and thus entertainment begins.

Crow 04-07-2008 09:27 PM

Your point is invalid.

First, WoW doesnt get new content every tuesday, thats bull****.
Second, Blizzard is professional, they know what they do. Of course they dont take away their content again.
And, third: Does Blizzard do what WoW players want? Think about that.

Spikedude 04-07-2008 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1384754)
Your point is invalid.

First, WoW doesnt get new content every tuesday, thats bull****.
Second, Blizzard is professional, they know what they do. Of course they dont take away their content again.
And, third: Does Blizzard do what WoW players want? Think about that.

Ok, first off, that was an example. Second off, every tuesday was an exaggeration, they update multiple times each month. Third, era management is supposed to act as professionals. And fourth, yes, they do what their players want. They add new content for them to use all the time. There's always something new to do. That's why they consistently hold 7 million players.

Crow 04-07-2008 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikedude (Post 1384758)
Ok, first off, that was an example. Second off, every tuesday was an exaggeration, they update multiple times each month. Third, era management is supposed to act as professionals. And fourth, yes, they do what their players want. They add new content for them to use all the time. There's always something new to do. That's why they consistently hold 7 million players.

Once or twice a month, sometimes (rarely) three times. I play myself.
The playerbase and like 98% of the developers are still teenagers. Theres no chance to be professional here.
They add new content, yes, but hell, if they did what the players want, they wouldnt cry buckets. "OMG NREF" Recently I actually saw a mage whining because the AoE damage cap was raised. Wtf on this one. Its impossible to make players completely happy, and I didnt even say to never ask them.

Spikedude 04-07-2008 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1384761)
Once or twice a month, sometimes (rarely) three times. I play myself.
The playerbase and like 98 percent of the developers are still teenagers. Theres no chance to be professional here.
They add new content, yes, but hell, if they did what the players want, they wouldnt cry buckets. "OMG NREF" Recently I actually saw a mage whining because the AoE damage cap was raised. Wtf on this one. Its impossible to make players completely happy, and I didnt even say to never ask them.

I don't play WoW so I have no idea what you just said. Anyways, even if the developers on Era are all teenagers, they're willing to work and maintain a professional enviroment and you know it. Obviously we can't staff 200 thousand people to add 48 hours of continuous play to the server every week, but we can staff 10 people who are willing to create a couple new updates every week. And the fact you're suggesting that when you're managing a game, what the players think doesn't matter is just... I don't even know why I'd comment on that. The playerbase is who matters on the server. With no players, there is no server. If you do things consistently that angers 20 percent of the population, you'll never get anywhere. The entire job of the management is to keep the game fun.

Crow 04-07-2008 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikedude (Post 1384766)
I don't play WoW so I have no idea what you just said. Anyways, even if the developers on Era are all teenagers, they're willing to work and maintain a professional enviroment and you know it. Obviously we can't staff 200 thousand people to add 48 hours of continuous play to the server every week, but we can staff 10 people who are willing to create a couple new updates every week. And the fact you're suggesting that when you're managing a game, what the players think doesn't matter is just... I don't even know why I'd comment on that. The playerbase is who matters on the server. With no players, there is no server. If you do things consistently that angers 20 percent of the population, you'll never get anywhere. The entire job of the management is to keep the game fun.

Guess I typed that up a bit wrong. My opinion actually is that players should be taken seriously in most cases, but that there are things that wont go well if players decide on those, too. Also, I completely thought you would play WoW :P
You also have to take the fact that being a Graal developer isnt a job in almost all the cases. Most developers do it for fun and still want/have to do something else in their freetime.

Spikedude 04-07-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1384769)
Guess I typed that up a bit wrong. My opinion actually is that players should be taken seriously in most cases, but that there are things that wont go well if players decide on those, too. Also, I completely thought you would play WoW :P
You also have to take the fact that being a Graal developer isnt a job in almost all the cases. Most developers do it for fun and still want/have to do something else in their freetime.


I never once suggested that developers shouldn't have a life. I do ganis a lot and still have a life. And I also never suggested once that Era staff isn't making any developments. It's the fact that these developments Era is making is in all the places that the majority of the players DON'T want. If you took a poll to see if people would rather have a new gmap or the current gmap, the majority would vote to use the current gmap. Meanwhile, if you took a vote to see if players would rather have a new quest where the reward is a brand new gun or a new gmap, they would all choose the new quest.

Catch my drift?

And again, what the players want is important in all cases. Just because 2 people will come on here and say "LOL WE NEED DUPING" isn't the point I'm trying to prove. Obviously in those cases it's either lose 98 percent of your playercount or lose 2 percent of you playercount, and the answer will always be "cya later!" But in some cases, the management seems to just flat out not care about what players think because they'd rather have everything the way they want it even if it contradicts what the rest of era wants. Maybe if you tried talking to people and coming up with some sort of compromise, it would work out better. Maybe you could add a second gmap with all new stuff rather than deleting the old and making a new. A simple compromise like that from the beginning would have taken 2 seconds of additional work while now, it would be nearly an impossibility since the new gmap is almost done. But because the management has a lack of communication with the rest of the server, nobody ever got any point accross to anyone.

Crow 04-07-2008 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikedude (Post 1384775)
I never once suggested that developers shouldn't have a life. I do ganis a lot and still have a life. And I also never suggested once that Era staff isn't making any developments. It's the fact that these developments Era is making is in all the places that the majority of the players DON'T want. If you took a poll to see if people would rather have a new gmap or the current gmap, the majority would vote to use the current gmap. Meanwhile, if you took a vote to see if players would rather have a new quest where the reward is a brand new gun or a new gmap, they would all choose the new quest.

Catch my drift?

And again, what the players want is important in all cases. Just because 2 people will come on here and say "LOL WE NEED DUPING" isn't the point I'm trying to prove. Obviously in those cases it's either lose 98 percent of your playercount or lose 2 percent of you playercount, and the answer will always be "cya later!" But in some cases, the management seems to just flat out not care about what players think because they'd rather have everything the way they want it even if it contradicts what the rest of era wants. Maybe if you tried talking to people and coming up with some sort of compromise, it would work out better. Maybe you could add a second gmap with all new stuff rather than deleting the old and making a new. A simple compromise like that from the beginning would have taken 2 seconds of additional work while now, it would be nearly an impossibility since the new gmap is almost done. But because the management has a lack of communication with the rest of the server, nobody ever got any point accross to anyone.

Well, I think that the new gmap is one of the things that dont need player input, really. There are several problems with the current one, including being too big and also looking fugly in some places. The new gmap also looks somewhat identical to the old one in some places, I really dont see any problems with that.
About player communication, I actually communicate with players alot, since I myself am still playing (or atleast try to do so), and I also write down good ideas and try to realize them later.
It's just that sometimes people have to live with changes. They did before, and they still can/will.
Going to bed now *yawns* Maybe we can go on tomorrow ;D

DazJenova 04-07-2008 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1384709)
Well, ultimately players rarely know what they want to see, they just want to be entertained. Personally, I was relieved when TSA got manager after Daz's reign of horror. Daz, you don't understand that developing things isn't as easy as, "Okay guys, DO THIS!" It takes the right people, who have time to do it, who can work together, and get things done... which only end up getting done eventually instead of immediately. While you were able to bring up some valid points, for the most part your posts are flooded with ignorance to the situation. Not to mention hiring new developers is a very difficult task as well. You can't just hire anyone off of the street, especially not on a top classic server. You have to be careful of who you hire, and they have to know what they're doing or it ends up making the server look bad. You can't honestly say "the server has been the same for 6months," simply because it hasn't.

I never said it was easy hence i know exactly how hard it is to find the right people that's exactly what i tryed to do throughout my management so don't get me started there Tig. Amsel i completely agree with the whole issue you raised and the reason why i keep questioning about the server is because someone has to ensure that this server is acually being taken care of and not being abused and used by a bunch of friends which clearly is the case at the moment. It's really fustrating raising these points up over and over because they are problems that exist but what really ticks me off is TSA when someone nnot just myself but anyone else asks these questions you try silence them out or ban them. That's not reasonable at all you should acually communicate to acually resolve the matter and if you can't be bothered to replace your inactive staff then why an earth do you want to manage the server if you wont replace staff that don't even work. I said from the start not all staff are like that some acually do work hard but some take the piss and you sit back and let it happen. I'm not slandering you here but you need to replace those useless staff and find replacement staff even though it's damn well hard to find talent out there you still have to try like i did.

I was constantly harrassed by Vulcan to find new staff if my staff wern't working and had to monitor everyones activity otherwise Vulcan would of had a ***** fit at me, that's what i clearly don't understand why he doesen't do the same for you it's basically like you let your staff do w/e they please and dont do anything to prevent it that's what really ticks me off and that's why i'm the person asking the questions that need answers too. I'm sorry for seeing that i'm being a jackass but i'm clearly doing what is best for the server and what about the abuse i get also TSA you know exactly how much i had while in management because most the things got blamed on myself now even when i log on era there's people like EC or Vulcan pming me saying "failure" i wasen't given the chance to fix the server, i tryed finding the correct staff to help the server out and develop it more but vulcan did what he did. Now can you see from my point why i complain most the time is because nothing gets done about it if your staff are being inactive take care of it and even let the players know why it's taking so long to get one gmap done and a few systems done. That's all i'm saying you act as if everything is ok and when those important questions are asked about how the ecomony or how the state of the server is you simply ignore it or your staff abuse their powers to ban those players to silence them up.

Now to resolve this whole matter i will acually give you credit if you acually do pull off a new reset and new content but like amsel said deleting all the content that was done throughout the years isn't going to help the server, what made chrisz era so fun was because it was entertaining you don't always have to make the server fair and boring.

Crow 04-07-2008 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DazJenova (Post 1384779)
Now to resolve this whole matter i will acually give you credit if you acually do pull off a new reset and new content but like amsel said deleting all the content that was done throughout the years isn't going to help the server, what made chrisz era so fun was because it was entertaining you don't always have to make the server fair and boring.

Fair is needed, and the only content that will actually be completely replaced is the gmap. What currently sucks and isnt fair at all are for example the WW2 guns. They were already weakened, but they are still overpowered.

Last short thing for today *waves*

DazJenova 04-07-2008 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1384781)
Fair is needed, and the only content that will actually be completely replaced is the gmap. What currently sucks and isnt fair at all are for example the WW2 guns. They were already weakened, but they are still overpowered.

Last short thing for today *waves*

True but still those guns are very well designed and there is no need to get rid of them acually try find a way to use them. Even make a war event or some sort that you can pick those guns up and use them insetad of completely trashing work which is completely pointless.

Crow 04-07-2008 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DazJenova (Post 1384783)
True but still those guns are very well designed and there is no need to get rid of them acually try find a way to use them. Even make a war event or some sort that you can pick those guns up and use them insetad of completely trashing work which is completely pointless.

I never said they arent reused ;)

Very last post, I swear! ;o

DazJenova 04-07-2008 10:31 PM

But like i said before in my post i'm not having a go i'm tired of arguing the same points over and over i would just like someone to acually do something about it and TSA to stepup and do your duties on getting rid of inactive staff like icarus, nuada, maverick, gambet etc etc. Icarus always crys on RC that graal is boring and WoW's so much better than get rid of him and find a person who will acually dedicate their time administrating the server and checking what current staff are doing, don't just keep him there because he's a friend and you can't be bothered to find a new replacement. Those kind of things is what piss people off and you wonder why myself and others complain about the same thing over and over.

I apologise for massing true facts which show what problems are in the server but other players interacted also about those problems and Demisis did not like it because apprently if we say things you guys don't want to hear it's an instant ban or jail. Try acually to resolve the situation instead of your staff throwing the ban hammer arround.

Spikedude 04-07-2008 10:43 PM

Last post for me for a while, I gotta go do homework.

Anyways, first off, the gmap is precisely one of the issues that you should listen to players on because the gmap is one of the biggest aspect defining a server. A new gmap would practically mean a new server altogether. You can't go through that drastic of a change without taking player opinion. Also, Crow, you are one of the few staff who actually does respond immediately to PMs, read everything people say, and attempt to make sure everyone is happy. TSAdmin never even took the time to read my whole appology I wrote to him one day. He told me he "skimmed it."

World War II guns. Those took a lottt of work to do, yet Warhead, Armanno, Snow, and I consistently spent our time making everything look and feel perfect. Just because Icarus gave them really cheap stats and just because dumbing them down won't make them worth their money doesn't mean they should be ditched completely. TSAdmin seems to think that just the sight of them annoys him, so instead of attempting to use them in a good way, he will just delete them. What a great way to solve your problems.

Have fun writing up your pretty little responses suggesting my stupidity.

TSAdmin 04-08-2008 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikedude
TSAdmin seems to think that just the sight of them annoys him, so instead of attempting to use them in a good way, he will just delete them. What a great way to solve your problems.

Incorrect. The whole time they were being developed, I never liked the idea of them at all, and opposed the idea before they were even constructed, but you guys got the go-ahead from Daz to do it, anyway, so my dislike for their existance, now, is no different or altered than my opinion on them back then - Difference is, now I actually have some sway over their fate. Personally, I think people should take into account that I had every ability (not to mention right) to just remove them from the server, entirely, when they became the centre of attention during that duping issue, yet I didn't because - and getting to your points about talking to the players - even people who didn't have the benefit of owning them said it would really piss off some good players, merely caught up in a bad situation, so I didn't.

I don't mind the idea of an event that uses them, like laser tag uses the laser rifles, but as far as them returning to the Era population, only the people who own one say they would hate if they weren't coming back, and giong by what you were saying "Losing 2 percent is better than losing 98 percent of players", and only a minority believe we should even have these weapons on Era at all, thus, they're not coming back. That's the pure fact.

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Originally Posted by DazJenova
<<...>> don't just keep him there because he's a friend and you can't be bothered to find a new replacement.

In all honesty, not that you'll believe me, anyway - I'm not keeping him around because he's a friend. And on this note of "friends with RC" bullcrap, I'm sick of hearing it. Crow wasn't a friend when I hired him, nor half the people on the team, but just about all people on RC, now, are friends of mine. It's what you form with your team, so when someone says "You hire friends", and I respond "I fail to see your point", I really mean it. Crow is now a friend of mine, because we've spent that time working together and gotten to know each other, but I am not going to keep him around (and I'm not keeping Icarus around) "because he's a friend", and it's certainly not "I can't be bothered".

I'm keeping Icarus around because even if he says "WoW is more fun to play", that doesn't mean he doesn't pitch in and keep up to date x_x'.

As far as Maverick goes, I've been handling business issues, myself while I have much more important things to do, and have made it clear to Maverick it's really getting beyond a joke, and that he needs to step up his own game. Whether he listened or not will be evident to me the next time I get a chance to log on RC (as after this post, I have to go see some family). That's all I'm going to say on that issue, because I'm not entirely comfortable with discussing the security of a member of staff's job in the public eye, yet behind his back.

Spikedude 04-08-2008 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin (Post 1384817)
Incorrect. The whole time they were being developed, I never liked the idea of them at all, and opposed the idea before they were even constructed, but you guys got the go-ahead from Daz to do it, anyway, so my dislike for their existance, now, is no different or altered than my opinion on them back then - Difference is, now I actually have some sway over their fate. Personally, I think people should take into account that I had every ability (not to mention right) to just remove them from the server, entirely, when they became the centre of attention during that duping issue, yet I didn't because - and getting to your points about talking to the players - even people who didn't have the benefit of owning them said it would really piss off some good players, merely caught up in a bad situation, so I didn't.

I don't mind the idea of an event that uses them, like laser tag uses the laser rifles, but as far as them returning to the Era population, only the people who own one say they would hate if they weren't coming back, and giong by what you were saying "Losing 2 percent is better than losing 98 percent of players", and only a minority believe we should even have these weapons on Era at all, thus, they're not coming back. That's the pure fact.



In all honesty, not that you'll believe me, anyway - I'm not keeping him around because he's a friend. And on this note of "friends with RC" bullcrap, I'm sick of hearing it. Crow wasn't a friend when I hired him, nor half the people on the team, but just about all people on RC, now, are friends of mine. It's what you form with your team, so when someone says "You hire friends", and I respond "I fail to see your point", I really mean it. Crow is now a friend of mine, because we've spent that time working together and gotten to know each other, but I am not going to keep him around (and I'm not keeping Icarus around) "because he's a friend", and it's certainly not "I can't be bothered".

I'm keeping Icarus around because even if he says "WoW is more fun to play", that doesn't mean he doesn't pitch in and keep up to date x_x'.

As far as Maverick goes, I've been handling business issues, myself while I have much more important things to do, and have made it clear to Maverick it's really getting beyond a joke, and that he needs to step up his own game. Whether he listened or not will be evident to me the next time I get a chance to log on RC (as after this post, I have to go see some family). That's all I'm going to say on that issue, because I'm not entirely comfortable with discussing the security of a member of staff's job in the public eye, yet behind his back.

What part of the WWII guns do you not like? What I don't understand is for what reason you'd throw away some of the best created guns on the server because the stats got way too powerful before. Make them as crappy as the AK47 for all I care, but for what reason would you ever completely delete all of that?

And as far as the whole "hiring friends, blahblahblah," I'm actually on TSA's side. TSA's staff is generally doing fine as far as working together and getting their work done, the thing that trifles me is the decision making skills up top of the heirarchy.

And Maverick has been getting on a lot more recently, the reason why he'd been having troubles carrying his own weight before was because of the lack of anything to do when you basically say "reset is coming" 5 months before it does, leaving all sort of reasoning behind a business admin's work completely useless.

Now, I'm getting the feeling that everyone thinks I'm in some sort of teamed attack against Era, but that isn't true. I couldn't care less who manages era, I couldn't care less what whoever manages Era thinks about me, I couldn't care less what staff Era gets, and I couldn't care less who thinks they'd be a better manager. The only reason I've stuck with this game for so long is the friends I have and the fun of development. What pisses me off is when my friends start quitting because of the new boredom factor and my developments stop being used and get ditched because someone dislikes something completely irrelevant to them.

TSA, I really hope you realize I'm not trying to attack you, I'm not trying to get you into trouble, and I'm not trying to get you kicked off of manager. I'm just flat out saying what my opinion is, whether you take it or not. Best of luck to whatever you do, whether you choose to listen to a word I spout or pretend you didn't hear me.

Eranian 04-08-2008 06:25 AM

Spikedude, why are you listening to Daz at all?

They aren't getting rid of the WWII guns completely.
Daz doesn't know anything that is happening on the server, he just likes to complain because he's a pom.

War Head has been making an event for a while that will use the WWII guns and a whole bunch of other guns that he created.
There are posts on the unofficial forums about it.

Stop listening to Daz.

Spikedude 04-08-2008 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Eranian (Post 1384851)
Spikedude, why are you listening to Daz at all?

They aren't getting rid of the WWII guns completely.
Daz doesn't know anything that is happening on the server, he just likes to complain because he's a pom.

War Head has been making an event for a while that will use the WWII guns and a whole bunch of other guns that he created.
There are posts on the unofficial forums about it.

Stop listening to Daz.

I'm sorry, did you miss TSAdmin whole post that literally said "yes, I in fact am deleting WWII guns" like 2 posts ago?

Eranian 04-08-2008 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikedude (Post 1384863)
I'm sorry, did you miss TSAdmin whole post that literally said "yes, I in fact am deleting WWII guns" like 2 posts ago?

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin (Post 1384817)
I don't mind the idea of an event that uses them, like laser tag uses the laser rifles, but as far as them returning to the Era population, only the people who own one say they would hate if they weren't coming back, and giong by what you were saying "Losing 2 percent is better than losing 98 percent of players", and only a minority believe we should even have these weapons on Era at all, thus, they're not coming back. That's the pure fact.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Crow 04-08-2008 02:48 PM

I somehow think you dont read the posts clearly Amsel :/ I also stated before in this thread that they arent going to be deleted.

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What I don't understand is for what reason you'd throw away some of the best created guns on the server because the stats got way too powerful before.
Wtf?
If you are talking about the idea -> wtf?
If its about the graphics -> wtf?
The ganis maybe? -> wtf?

What makes them best?

DazJenova 04-08-2008 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1384872)
I somehow think you dont read the posts clearly Amsel :/ I also stated before in this thread that they arent going to be deleted.



Wtf?
If you are talking about the idea -> wtf?
If its about the graphics -> wtf?
The ganis maybe? -> wtf?

What makes them best?

Yes, not obviously by best via stat but GFx wise and Gani wise because they took a long time to develop and amsel put hard work into those gani's and obviously would be annoyed if they are removed just because they were over powered which icarus decided the dmgs on the guns at that time of release of those guns.

Eranian Amsel understands why i complain and feels slightly the same way i see it, i'm not here to ***** all the time all i want is to make sure the server is in good hands and is acually getting developed with people doing their jobs correctly and not slacking off because i got treat very poorly for things that happened so i don't see otherwise tsa shoudn't get the same treatment if his staff not all but some arn't living up to their jobs.

Crow 04-08-2008 08:00 PM

I agree the ganis are good, but they are nothing special either. But gfx? Uh, Bar and M1 gfx pretty much suck.

Spikedude 04-08-2008 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1384889)
I agree the ganis are good, but they are nothing special either. But gfx? Uh, Bar and M1 gfx pretty much suck.

I think the gfx are great. And I understand you might be planning on making an event with it, but that still is such a waste of guns.

And TSA, if you feel so sure that hardly anyone wants the wwii guns to come back, try asking players rather than staff. Most of them would want to see them back after the reset just extremely dumbed down.

TSAdmin 04-09-2008 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikedude (Post 1384896)
And TSA, if you feel so sure that hardly anyone wants the wwii guns to come back, try asking players rather than staff. Most of them would want to see them back after the reset just extremely dumbed down.

I'm pretty sure I already mentioned that I had previously spoken to players - probably around, or before, where I made my point about how I came to be aware of the fact that "only the people with them hate to see them removed from the population"

Spikedude 04-09-2008 09:00 PM

I'm here to admit I'm wrong for the one and only time that I will do this, so don't make me change my mind within the next 5 minutes and start arguing again. Yes, I disagree with a lot of what TSA wants to do, but I realize now that it isn't my choice and I shouldn't have any say in it anyways. Plus, it's becoming increasingy more evident to me that TSA actually does have some of the situation under control and can probably survive and keep the server moving. Sorry for pushing my opinion on everyone before, and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Frankie 04-10-2008 09:56 PM

It took Daz and Amsel about a month to get the WWII shop up, and you Amsel, are sitting here saying we should be spitting out new content every week. Clearly it takes a lot of time to develop these things. Shut up already.

Spikedude 04-10-2008 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 1385225)
It took Daz and Amsel about a month to get the WWII shop up, and you Amsel, are sitting here saying we should be spitting out new content every week. Clearly it takes a lot of time to develop these things. Shut up already.

It took me about an hour to make a gani set.

And in case you didn't read my last post, I don't even care anymore anyways.

Quite Frankly(haha, pun), you should be putting out new content consistently. The WWII shop wasn't the only thing made during that entire time. We made the mp5 navy and the Betting spar complex plus put up The Foundation and that other gang that failed and took down LS as well as a billion other things during that time. The WWII shop was just the main thing that happened.

And I never said Daz was the best manager around either. When I was working there, I found a trillion problems that I was pissed about, which TSAdmin knows because every time I'd start MSNing him about them. I'm not trying to say you're doing a bad job, I'm trying to point out what I think is wrong with what's happening.

If you'd rather just post a big "F U" then go ahead, I don't care.


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