stop making PC GRAAL IS DOOMED threads
 

No seriously, we could have done that just fine before but with the influx of changes (however long that'll take) and more importantly the popularity of the iPhone servers, calling Graal dead now would be retarded.

It would be more accurate to say UN is dying, but PC Graal? I don't know about you guys but Zodiac is doing fine and Era has a handful of players (for what reason I don't know, Era is such a boring and horrible server). I would like to see our dear Classic back asap and I wanna see the news spread to the iPhone folks. It hurts me to say it because they're all kids and are going to be very annoying but playercount is indeed playercount.

p.s old playerlist on v6 pls.

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Damnit.. You must spread out more before giving it to crono again

You got red rep yourself, so you're giving neutral.

I agree @ Crono

Not anymore he doesn't!

You're too nice man.

I second the motion Crono, third and bang the gavel on it even.

Put horizontal advertisement bars back on the PM windows, the way it was before Graal2001 and Graal going "P2P".

Release PC Graal for free, make money off of the PC advertisements while using your other strategy for iPhone and flash versions.

Pow! You're rich.

i would like a playerlist on iphone servers plz

I can agree with this. Two major offending groups: newbies who make the threads because everyone else is doing it, and oldbies who don't play or develop anymore.

These sorts of "WE'RE DOOMED" threads create a negative atmosphere and I'm not really sure why anyone would make them unless their intention is to drown the few remaining developers with waves of negativity. I'd rather see the opposite: posts encouraging developers (hey, kind of like this OP!) and threads discussing how Graal is going to move foward rather than into the ground.

It'd be nicer if people focused on creating (and open-sourcing) content that could help multiple servers and/or Graal in general.

I.e: Generic RPG Systems, Updated/Beautiful Tilesets (Looking at you Delteria), etc.

UC servers would look and run a lot nicer (and may even succeed in the long run) if they didn't have to re-invent the wheel every time and had solid bases to work from.

Yea like baddie scripts based on This with like different sized templates to toy around with xD would be awesome

The topic states "PC GRAAL IS DOOMED" but is taking the iPod version into account.. I mean, it could be counted as a personal computer I suppose but in my opinion they are two different /separated things, only hosting the same social network type game..

When I think of PC Graal as dying, I take a look at how many servers you could see on the login in the past.. Bravo, Doomsday, Auroria, Klaria, and a whole bunch of others I never bothered to get into.. There were more varieties of servers, and P2P didn't hold anyone back from joining. Now all the servers are so technical, it seems no point in actually starting the server because everyone has so much more than you.. It wasn't exactly like going out of OSL and dying in a few seconds from someone so much more powerful than yourself.

I've played Era, UN, and slightly GK in the past, I honestly have no clue how to get money or anything on Era or UN, and GK ... well I never got past the tutorial from the five years going off and on trying, unsure what to do in ether of the servers. At least Zone and Classic you can hop on and figure it out easily. Classic even pinpoints quests I believe "Or at least the grave since I refuse to get the sword" ^.^;

I also love the fact that Graal is a Developing type platform ... which now not everyone can have access to..

They may be annoying, but most of them are much more nicer and less anal than most PC players. I have met a few nice people on this forum ... maybe about four.. And I've even met Thor on PC, who is very kind... Most of the people on the forum, since I've been able to to post, have feuded with each other, or have been mostly rude to others.

I however cannot speak for all of the iPod popularity.. there are a few people who strive to troll. And who knows, maybe the iPod version has just as many anal people, but the rest of the 800? more people make up for it.

I can only assume because the servers are newer, and most new people are nicer, that there is a great chance iPod could become as mean as PC in a few years if they lose their ability to attract new people..

Point is, I love iPod, miss the ability to have a lot of people developing without paying and the many different server types you could have on PC.
Sadly I spend more time on PC working then I do on iPod.

Wouldn't it be easier to create a forum thread for "PC Graal is dying" posts and avoid them, rather then trying to deter half the population from creating them?

Is it irony when a thread about stopping PC Graal is dead talk inevitably becomes a PC Graal is dead thread?

no

yes

yes

devil_lord2 tl;dr bro, give me some cliffnotes

Everyone's thinking it, I'm just saying it: "No". No combo breakers.

Are you suggesting we drop our current project to donate our images to graal? If that's the case why don't you donate that Nice ass Instance System your working on for iZodiac?

Players from iPod/Facebook do find their way onto PC Graal, the iPod/Facebook effect on the player count is one of the reasons why Graal is actually growing again.

No, because it's a complete lie and/or over-exaggeration of problems that only occur on poorly maintained servers like UN.

Because it's proprietary and not a drop-in solution for other servers. If the demand is there, I can release a suitable 'Instance Generator'.

I think most of the threads I've seen related to UN have been focused solely on UN, so this is being pretty unfair.

If you pointed out any recent Graal is dying threads, I'd be willing to bet they weren't made by a UN player.

I still don't get that, There are plenty of "Dead" Servers around. Why take or better yet make such suggestions when the server is being actively worked on more then some of those dead classic servers?

It is more accurate to say that UN is dying than Graal is dying, is it not? So what's the probrem?

hmm
 

UN isn't doing that bad compared to the other current servers.
For there content I think there hanging in there extremely well. I seen Zodiac with 10 players the other day. so Yea I would say its graal as a whole.

Where are you pulling these numbers out of?

http://u.graalcenter.org/i/Picture_74220092.png

If the amount of RCs/Staff is greater than (or close to) the amount of Graal###### accounts that are on, I'd say they're doing pretty terribly and not attracting any new players at all.

It's not just a player count problem with UN either, they've done ****-all for maintenance of the actual server or making changes toward providing a better experience for newer players.

Based on what I've seen/read I'm hoping Mark Sir Link can turn that around, but even then he's at mercy of the incompetence of the staff and admins above him who will probably prevent him from making any significant progress.

Zodiac with a 10 playercount, at what 4 AM or when the Login server wasn't working correctly?

<Insert Server> has a low playercount this very moment. Its dead!

Server playercounts fluctuate...drastically...if there was some good content, there would be higher playercount. This also fits in with subscription prices, but thats a whole 'nother story. (And hopefully will be fixed soon, Stefan >: [)

UN Is not doing good, because theres nothing to freaking do on UN. I logged on the other day, and there was absolutely nothing new...I logged on the day before easter and asked the staff what was planned for Easter. The answers I got back was either "I dont know", "Nothing", or "I dont log on enough to know".

I even asked Crono, and he just said "X and X were working on stuff". The day before Easter...Easter used to be such a good holiday for Graal...you didnt have to make quests...you didnt have to come up with super awesome weapons...you threw some eggs onto the gmap...and people were content.

But, apparently, we cant even do that now! But, I will stop there so this doesn't because a 'flam UN' post, but w/e.

Anyways, my point is...well, idk, I started typing this post, and it flew off in another direction; so excuse me if this post makes absolutely no sense. lol

I think the point I was going to make at the beginning was that PC Graal is "dieing" because theres no worth while content to make people stay, and nothing to look forward to. o_o

P.S. PC GRAAL IS DOOMED

note that he is referring to absolut_crono, not me ))

Its been full of them since I came around ¬¬.