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Cubical 09-11-2010 05:30 PM
Restrictions to forums for trolling
 
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Originally Posted by Cubical (Post 1600202)
You have in no way contributed to this thread, in every single one of your post with the exception of 'Zone > all' you have managed to belittle the server. Could the reason that they don't have any decent developers be because of the extremely bad rep trolls like yourself have given the server? The whole point of this subsection of the forums is to find developers not to troll the server, give your 'de'constructive criticism. I'm in no way affiliated with Graal Ghetto but it urks me that people do this to damn near every playerworld hiring thread there is. This is one of the few that actually follow most of the guidelines posted in this forums rules.

I think you all need to get a reality check, if this were actual programming forums with people asking for help on projects most of you would have been banned from this subsection for trolling. People need to start losing posting access to this forum for set periods of time for trolling and posting spam in hiring threads.
People who troll forums such as the playerworld hiring section should lose access to that subsection of the forums for a set period of time. That post was not only directed twords scooter123 but other people in that thread as well, he was just the one who decided to troll it the most. How do you think it makes the developer feel when people are publicly trash talking your hard work/server? Try to put yourself in these peoples shoes and think of how you would like it then proceed to go outside and get a life that doesn't consist of trolling these forums trying to make yourself feel better.

Crono 09-11-2010 05:37 PM
if people cant handle trash talk on such a babysat forum such as this one i don't want to see what it will be like with an actual graal playerbase

Cubical 09-11-2010 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1600205)
if people cant handle trash talk on such a babysat forum such as this one i don't want to see what it will be like with an actual graal playerbase
I'm not saying remove trolling for all forums just the development forums and playerworld hiring forums.

cbk1994 09-11-2010 05:49 PM
you just lost

DustyPorViva 09-11-2010 06:00 PM
It sucks enough how many posts get deleted because of criticism. Let people have a voice. If enough people are talking bad about a server to warrant someone coming to a predetermined opinion of it, maybe it's for the best. A person trolling here and there isn't going to really change anything.

Loriel 09-11-2010 06:13 PM
You might have a point or two but I kind of disagree with every statement in your post

what the hell is an "actual programming forum" and why do you think they are worth emulating?

Cubical 09-11-2010 06:16 PM
As in many programming forums have places where people ask for help on projects.


edit: There is a forum for posting information about your playerworld and wanting people to criticizw a playerworld and there is a seperate one for asking for help developing the world.

Loriel 09-11-2010 06:17 PM
Those forums probably suck

Loriel 09-11-2010 06:19 PM
Maybe if people made better servers they would not get trashtalked as much?

I do not know, banning honest feedback seems like the wrong way to go about fostering a positive and supportive community

Cubical 09-11-2010 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by scooter123 (Post 1599894)
Just saying, there isn't much to do on Graal Ghetto. (This "much more" does not exist) No offence to Graal Ghetto, of course.
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Originally Posted by scooter123 (Post 1599987)
Why make a thread for a server that mainly stole all their content, and that once Tre (The Content Owner) gets back, he is going to get rid of it. Don't know why you gys try hiring for something that isn't even yours.
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Originally Posted by scooter123 (Post 1600005)
Zone > All :)
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Originally Posted by scooter123 (Post 1600047)
Graal Ghetto is outdated, dull and boring. If you want to hire, why don't you tell us of the plans you have for the future (Oh wait I forgot Graal Ghetto doesn't and never will have a plan).
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Originally Posted by scooter123 (Post 1600110)
Because its a hiring thread with mainly all the content on it that is stolen. Seriously, it's nothing we should expect, nor be excited for. It's tried to come back at least 12 times off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure everyone has lost hope for it.
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Originally Posted by scooter123 (Post 1600170)
Who says we don't develop? No one, we just either know/had past experience with a server that we know isn't worth the time to work for.
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Originally Posted by scooter123 (Post 1600198)
No one that is decent in development will work for it, the decent people they've had have been fired for no reason.
Unnecessary

Loriel 09-11-2010 06:37 PM
Seems like the guy has a point and the Graal Ghetto people have an attitude problem

Cubical 09-11-2010 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Loriel (Post 1600222)
Seems like the guy has a point and the Graal Ghetto people have an attitude problem
Why not post a new thread about it in the playerworld main forums instead of trolling a thread asking for help?

xXziroXx 09-11-2010 06:46 PM
Agreed with Cubes on this one. Playerworlds are not only for experienced developers, and if we're going to trash the beginners or the ones with lower quality, we shouldn't be allowed to do so in the hiring forum.

Tigairius 09-11-2010 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubical (Post 1600203)
People who troll forums such as the playerworld hiring section should lose access to that subsection of the forums for a set period of time. That post was not only directed twords scooter123 but other people in that thread as well, he was just the one who decided to troll it the most. How do you think it makes the developer feel when people are publicly trash talking your hard work/server? Try to put yourself in these peoples shoes and think of how you would like it then proceed to go outside and get a life that doesn't consist of trolling these forums trying to make yourself feel better.
I agree. Trolling is counterproductive, and more measures should be taken in order to prevent it. Graal is having a hard enough time keeping developers as it is.

Loriel 09-11-2010 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1600229)
I agree. Trolling is counterproductive, and more measures should be taken in order to prevent it. Graal is having a hard enough time keeping developers as it is.
hey didn't i ban you on gk once

what was that for again

Loriel 09-11-2010 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1600229)
I agree. Trolling is counterproductive, and more measures should be taken in order to prevent it. Graal is having a hard enough time keeping developers as it is.
Do you realise that developers stop giving a **** about Graal because of **** unimaginative derivative playerworld projects stealing **** and making **** threads about it, completely devalueing any actual contribution by actual developers, while being protected in their *******ishness by retarded moderators who didn't recognise a troll if it lived under their bridge?

Loriel 09-11-2010 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubical (Post 1600225)
Why not post a new thread about it in the playerworld main forums instead of trolling a thread asking for help?
Hey if you disagree with my posts in this thread why don't you make a new thread in NGRT to discuss them

Loriel 09-11-2010 07:02 PM
Also it would be cool if you could comment on 1) the guy making the thread not even being associated with the server 2) the accusations that the server stole all its **** 3) the server having no perspective and just being a staff playground

I mean, yeah, everybody is entitled to waste a bunch of money on a **** server with no redeeming qualities, but then by god we are entitled to call them out on it when they try to pass it off as an actual project worth actual developers' time

Cubical 09-11-2010 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Loriel (Post 1600234)
Hey if you disagree with my posts in this thread why don't you make a new thread in NGRT to discuss them
Because what you we are talking about is relevant to this thread with the exception of
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Originally Posted by Loriel (Post 1600231)
hey didn't i ban you on gk once

what was that for again

fowlplay4 09-11-2010 07:02 PM
Ban those Era/Zone players from the forums they're posting this 'trolling' crap, servers with good intentions and proper hiring threads usually don't get 'trolled'. However yeah there are the odd times when a stupid pointless argument is started and extends for a couple pages but the thread creator should be reporting those and stopping it before it gets worse.

However, Graal Ghetto is in fact a piece of **** and people should know to stay away from it, they've been trading their virtual goods for others and exploiting their server since day 1.

Liberated 09-11-2010 07:04 PM
Loriel, can you please use the multi-quote button.

Loriel 09-11-2010 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubical (Post 1600237)
Because what you we are talking about is relevant to this thread with the exception of
I guess my fundamental disagreement with you then is that I think it is not trolling but appropriate and absolutely vital to be able to discuss a server in its hiring threads!! I mean if I was a developer looking for work I would kind of want to know whether the server I was considering was actually run by ****heads as described in that thread

Loriel 09-11-2010 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberated (Post 1600239)
Loriel, can you please use the multi-quote button.
Pretend I am making some sort of thread structure argument here

Edit: Apart from when I reply to Tigairius twice, I guess

Liberated 09-11-2010 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Loriel (Post 1600241)
Pretend I am making some sort of thread structure argument here
The same can be done in 1 post.
It is quicker to use the multiquote, and it is less annoying for the rest of us.
Win win, no?

Tigairius 09-11-2010 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Loriel (Post 1600233)
*** filled quote
I realize that developers lose interest for many reasons. I also realize that if there is anyone who is trying to get into developing, they can easily be chased away by trolls on these forums.

Loriel 09-11-2010 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1600244)
I realize that developers lose interest for many reasons. I also realize that if there is anyone who is trying to get into developing, they can easily be chased away by trolls on these forums.
and they would probably be better off "chased away" outright than after having sunk months into some **** playerworld that went exploited them and ultimately went nowhere

Loriel 09-11-2010 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberated (Post 1600243)
The same can be done in 1 post.
It is quicker to use the multiquote, and it is less annoying for the rest of us.
Win win, no?
Just trying this out

Edit: No it does not seem like it keeps the structure

xAndrewx 09-11-2010 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Loriel (Post 1600246)
and they would probably be better off "chased away" outright than after having sunk months into some **** playerworld that went exploited them and ultimately went nowhere
so what made you want to work on Graal all those years ago

Loriel 09-11-2010 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by xAndrewx (Post 1600249)
so what made you want to work on Graal all those years ago
Not ****ty playerworlds certainly

xXziroXx 09-11-2010 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Loriel (Post 1600246)
and they would probably be better off "chased away" outright than after having sunk months into some **** playerworld that went exploited them and ultimately went nowhere
Yeah because being new to development and having a ****ty playerworld as a playground to improve yourself if even slightly is bad. Right?

Loriel 09-11-2010 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1600257)
Yeah because being new to development and having a ****ty playerworld as a playground to improve yourself if even slightly is bad. Right?
Compared to experimenting on, say, the testbed server, or any playerworld that has actually good developers that could guide the new guy, yeah, I guess

Cubical 09-11-2010 09:29 PM
Why would you hire someone that you had to teach over someone you didn't?

Loriel 09-11-2010 09:32 PM
Because the latter guy does not exist

Demisis_P2P 09-11-2010 09:50 PM
the forums should be less restricted not more restricted.
imo trials should be allowed to make forum accounts. there is a lot more development discussion on these forums than there is in-game. if trials had access to that information they would be more likely to undertake development of their own, for which they would need to buy gold.

limiting the forums like this is a part of why there is a developer shortage in the first place.

MontyPython 09-11-2010 11:23 PM
If you're actually swayed to the point of canceling development of a playerworld because of a few trolls in your forums thread, then you'll never survive as a creative force anyways. Criticism will come in all forms, some constructive and some not-constructive. In fact, the non-constructive criticism is the easiest to take.


@ Cubical: I really fail to see how scooter123 was trolling in that thread. Next to everything he said seemed like logical complaints. And like fp4 said, have you ever even been to Graal Ghetto? Or have any knowledge of their previous history? Stolen graphics, cross-server trading (even staff positions were sold). It's an Era clone that offers -nothing- new and doesn't even copy Era well. If I could think of one word as the antithesis to Graal Ghetto, it'd be "quality". Now, Cubical, am I trolling or just being honest?

dude2020 09-11-2010 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubical (Post 1600203)
People who troll forums such as the playerworld hiring section should lose access to that subsection of the forums for a set period of time.
We already have that feature, except it prevents them from even viewing the forums while being logged in.
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That post was not only directed twords scooter123 but other people in that thread as well, he was just the one who decided to troll it the most.
So they were trolling about how stupid the server is? How they stole numurous things and cross server traded for staff positions?
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How do you think it makes the developer feel when people are publicly trash talking your hard work/server?
Are you actually saying stealing something and calling it your own is hard work for a server?
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Try to put yourself in these peoples shoes and think of how you would like it
Okay, I'll go start a server up, steal everything and post a hiring thread.
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then proceed to go outside and get a life that doesn't consist of trolling these forums trying to make yourself feel better.
This part just says "I'm butt hurt, do something please"

DarkRenji 09-12-2010 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Cubical (Post 1600203)
How do you think it makes the developer feel when people are publicly trash talking your hard work/server?
>Implying they work on GG and not just steal **** :asleep:

Cubical 09-12-2010 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dude2020 (Post 1600278)
We already have that feature, except it prevents them from even viewing the forums while being logged in. So they were trolling about how stupid the server is? How they stole numurous things and cross server traded for staff positions? Are you actually saying stealing something and calling it your own is hard work for a server? Okay, I'll go start a server up, steal everything and post a hiring thread. This part just says "I'm butt hurt, do something please"
You sir obviously have a severe case of autism as I have said that I wasn't just directing that twords the Graal Ghetto thread.
edit: I reread and apparently I didn't but that doesn't change the fact that it was implied and you still have severe autism if you weren't able to catch onto it.

MontyPython 09-12-2010 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Cubical (Post 1600284)
You sir obviously have a severe case of autism as I have said that I wasn't just directing that twords the Graal Ghetto thread.
edit: I reread and apparently I didn't but that doesn't change the fact that it was implied and you still have severe autism if you weren't able to catch onto it.
Sup baby, get mad. Are you really making light of autism and calling someone mentally compromised in a thread where you're complaining of trolling and negativity? MMmmmm.

Maybe I'll go make a thread about how trolling has a negative impact upon those who wish to post upon the forums, and how if we don't put a stop to it we'll lose forum users by the thousands. Then I can add this quote to the thread to build my case.

DrakilorP2P 09-12-2010 01:21 AM
I get the feeling there are a lot of users on these forums who are more interested in pissing people off than making any kind of argument, and I suspect one way to fix it is to report them and move on.


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