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Bell 08-26-2009 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SwimChao (Post 1518468)
Not sure if it's too late to put my name out there as well, and I'm also not sure how much time this sort of team would consume.

I have a pretty firm bg with pixeling/gfx with Graal.

Also, what about Managing a server at the same time? If this isn't possible just disregard this.
fowlplay4 has joined and also manages Zodiac. If you feel you can do both thats fine. I don't think its going to be as labor intensive as running a server so it may actually give you a break or change in pace at times.

It will never actually be too late to join as this will be an open ended hiring. People will most likely always have time they can and can't help so the more people we have filling the various internal departments of sorts, the better chance of this working long term.

SwimChao 08-26-2009 12:53 AM
Well I'm willing to give it a swing. Can hopefully provide some help to understanding working with GFX on the game, and what not.

I agree it could be fun, and a good way to make a beneficial change for the game as a whole.

I can give a hand with GFX, Levels and Ganis if need be.

fowlplay4 08-26-2009 01:14 AM
It doesn't hurt to be part of a list of contacts, whom may have some say in situations.

SwimChao 08-26-2009 01:15 AM
This is true. :)

Gothika 08-26-2009 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bell (Post 1518465)
Scary_Sock: -gold- GFX
This makes me laugh.

Vman13x 08-26-2009 01:27 AM
Ooh. Congrats to those who got accepted :).

Nataxo 08-26-2009 01:32 AM
Good Luck GDT! :D

LordSquirt 08-26-2009 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Vman13x (Post 1518483)
Ooh. Congrats to those who got accepted :).
I don't think anyone, except a few, got accepted so far. The list that Bell posted were only the people she thought that were interested in being a GDT.

Galdor 08-26-2009 01:48 AM
here is the official member list xD

Gothika 08-26-2009 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Galdor (Post 1518490)
here is the official member list xD
Can't disagree with anyone in that list. Good choices all round.

Inverness 08-26-2009 02:04 AM
I've upgraded to Gold.

Edit: And what is this Advanced Development title?

Bell 08-26-2009 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gothika (Post 1518481)
This makes me laugh.
May I ask why you laugh at Scary_Sock? Keep in mind that I do not have personal experience with the many of these people nor do I know all their work. The only ones that have been accepted so far are those that I didn't need any further investigation done on.

Bell 08-26-2009 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Inverness (Post 1518493)
I've upgraded to Gold.

Edit: And what is this Advanced Development title?
This is a ranking that Tig suggested for those that show exceptional participation. It will include a broader range of rights including the ability to add new members they feel would be an asset to the team without having to go through the PWA first.

Scary_Sock 08-26-2009 02:19 AM
So when will hirings be held?

Inverness 08-26-2009 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bell (Post 1518495)
This is a ranking that Tig suggested for those that show exceptional participation. It will include a broader range of rights including the ability to add new members they feel would be an asset to the team without having to go through the PWA first.
Well, I have submitted an application for the guild.

Bell 08-26-2009 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Inverness (Post 1518497)
Well, I have submitted an application for the guild.
lol, first showing of the male ego here. Just wait till I've given my opening lecture on your private forums yet to be set up.

Those I listed already are free to apply. Password protection hasn't been put in place as of yet to simplify things. I still need to speak to the other PWA's regarding the yet unadded members before accepting them.

http://graalonline.com/guilds/viewgu...0&view=appform

Clockwork 08-26-2009 02:41 AM
lol...

I'll stick to my #gdeveloper tag which means more or less the same thing.

Scary_Sock 08-26-2009 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bell (Post 1518498)
Those I listed already are free to apply.
Done.

Gambet 08-26-2009 02:51 AM
I'm not a fan of developers being even considered that have not shown active participation amongst the community throughout the years. Of the scripters you mentioned the only person that actively helps both on and off the forums with scripting questions is Jerret (fowlplay4), and although I've never personally seen Inverness while on client, he does help out on the forums every now and then.

You have still failed to convince me that this team is going to be worth it in the end, because if it takes a position in the GDT for people to decide that they actually give a crap about making the game better then you should really reevaluate the value of such a team.

Inverness 08-26-2009 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Gambet (Post 1518504)
You have still failed to convince me that this team is going to be worth it in the end, because if it takes a position in the GDT for people to decide that they actually give a crap about making the game better then you should really reevaluate the value of such a team.
This is another reason why Stefan's cooperation is important for the GDT. There are quite a few who are discouraged by a lack of attention to Graal and feel that it is just going downhill with no bottom in sight. This makes it more difficult for people to want to put effort into making the game better.

I know I might seem repetitive, but this is something I feel strongly about.
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Originally Posted by Bell (Post 1518498)
lol, first showing of the male ego here.
There's more where that came from. ;) But I will restrain myself if necessary. Though I hope you're not offended if I flex my ego in jest (all the damn time).

Deophite18 08-26-2009 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Galdor (Post 1518490)
here is the official member list xD
Lol...what is it with Graal Admins letting people with shady pasts and bad attitudes into higher positions. That is like the opposite of every other game. :noob:

Inverness 08-26-2009 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Deophite18 (Post 1518514)
Lol...what is it with Graal Admins letting people with shady pasts and bad attitudes into higher positions. That is like the opposite of every other game. :noob:
Bell said to let her know if you have reasons why someone on her list should not be in the team, so feel free to elaborate more.

fowlplay4 08-26-2009 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Deophite18 (Post 1518514)
Lol...what is it with Graal Admins letting people with shady pasts and bad attitudes into higher positions. That is like the opposite of every other game. :noob:
Who are these shady people you speak of.

Deophite18 08-26-2009 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Inverness (Post 1518521)
Bell said to let her know if you have reasons why someone on her list should not be in the team, so feel free to elaborate more.
I would elaborate but I don't think the mods would approve of it being discussed here. Although I am sure Bell, Tig, & TSA all know what I am referring to.

Clockwork 08-26-2009 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Deophite18 (Post 1518527)
I would elaborate but I don't think the mods would approve of it being discussed here. Although I am sure Bell, Tig, & TSA all know what I am referring to.
I agree. :P

cyan3 08-26-2009 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Deophite18 (Post 1518527)
I would elaborate but I don't think the mods would approve of it being discussed here. Although I am sure Bell, Tig, & TSA all know what I am referring to.
You could elaborate by sending her a forum pm.

pooper200000 08-26-2009 03:40 AM
The best option is to forum PM Bell, Tig, TSA, and Xor. I'm sure if you wanted, you could send a message to just Bell and that would suffice. I'm not sure which members you are referring to, but if you want to elaborate on what you think you would post you can tell me in a forum PM if you want to know if it is appropriate for the forums. The best option is to forum PM Bell and the other PWA though. Usually we don't like to have big complaints posted about staff on a server, or globally because the forums are for discussing ideas and stuff, not for complaining about the staff. I don't think this is really the topic of the discussion though.

Congratulations to those who made the team, and I wish you the best of luck!

Inverness 08-26-2009 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Deophite18 (Post 1518527)
I would elaborate but I don't think the mods would approve of it being discussed here. Although I am sure Bell, Tig, & TSA all know what I am referring to.
A wise movie character once said that assumption is the mother of all ****-ups. If you don't take action now as Bell has asked then you're in no position to complain about who is on the team.

Clockwork 08-26-2009 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by pooper200000 (Post 1518533)
The best option is to forum PM Bell, Tig, TSA, and Xor. I'm sure if you wanted, you could send a message to just Bell and that would suffice. I'm not sure which members you are referring to, but if you want to elaborate on what you think you would post you can tell me in a forum PM if you want to know if it is appropriate for the forums. The best option is to forum PM Bell and the other PWA though. Usually we don't like to have big complaints posted about staff on a server, or globally because the forums are for discussing ideas and stuff, not for complaining about the staff. I don't think this is really the topic of the discussion though.

Congratulations to those who made the team, and I wish you the best of luck!
I think Cyan said this in a much easier way in the post before you.

Either way

1 Tigairius Graal Admin :As if he's not busy enough already, and whats with the title?
2 Xor Xor Playerworld Administration :uh...has he done anything except continue to work with zodiac?
3 Bell Bell Playerworld Administration :yay....owait you dunt develop.
4 TSAdmin TSAdmin Playerworld Administration :Does he still play graal? Havent seen him in ever.
5 Vulcan Vulcan Advanced Development :doesnt really touch graal...really shady...
6 fowlplay4 fowlplay4 Scripting :very busy with zodiac, willing to bet he'll answer questions rather than dev.
7 Elk Elk Graphics :I'm 99.9% sure elk will make no contribution at all to anything unless paid.

LoneAngelIbesu 08-26-2009 03:58 AM
/me is waiting for these application forms.

Inverness 08-26-2009 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Clockwork (Post 1518536)
A whole guild for pooper to kiss ass to.


I think Cyan said this in a much easier way in the post before you.

Either way

1 Tigairius Graal Admin :As if he's not busy enough already, and whats with the title?
2 Xor Xor Playerworld Administration :uh...has he done anything except continue to work with zodiac?
3 Bell Bell Playerworld Administration :yay....owait you dunt develop.
4 TSAdmin TSAdmin Playerworld Administration :Does he still play graal? Havent seen him in ever.
5 Vulcan Vulcan Advanced Development :doesnt really touch graal...really shady...
6 fowlplay4 fowlplay4 Scripting :very busy with zodiac, willing to bet he'll answer questions rather than dev.
7 Elk Elk Graphics :I'm 99.9 percent sure elk will make no contribution at all to anything unless paid.
I don't know about Vulcan, but Bell said the PWA were added by default because they are administrating the team.

Scary_Sock 08-26-2009 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Inverness (Post 1518541)
I don't know about Vulcan, but Bell said the PWA were added by default because they are administrating the team.
I also have to disagree when Clockwork says Elk won't do work. If Elk charges, then I am pretty sure Elk would not be a good addition to the team. Elk does some good GFX though.

Vulcan 08-26-2009 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Clockwork
5 Vulcan Vulcan Advanced Development :doesnt really touch graal...really shady...
I tend to stick to my dev server.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inverness (Post 1518541)
I don't know about Vulcan, but Bell said the PWA were added by default because they are administrating the team.
I'm not a member of the PWA, but I have been actively participating in the planning of the team for a few weeks now.

Clockwork 08-26-2009 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Vulcan (Post 1518543)
I'm not a member of the PWA, but I have been actively participating in the planning of the team for a few weeks now.
That sounds like strenuous work! ;p I know that sounds mean, but does that really deserve a special title, for planning, while the people who actually do what this guild is for probably just get a thank you?

WhiteDragon 08-26-2009 04:29 AM
Just wondering, is Skyld really not going to be involved in this?

Gambet 08-26-2009 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiteDragon (Post 1518552)
Just wondering, is Skyld really not going to be involved in this?
Not many top-tier developers are active anymore. Tig starts college this semester so I would expect his priorities to be elsewhere, and Skyld hasn't been very active since rejoining the global team. I understand their situatons so I'm not going to complain about it, they have their own lives to worry about.

salesman 08-26-2009 04:54 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't like that it's left to unpaid volunteers to do the work that should have already been done by Graal Online? I know we now consider Graal a development platform, but that doesn't mean paying developers should need to write their own documentation and tutorials -- that's the kind of stuff our money should be going toward.

I like what you guys are doing, and I'm definitely not trying to stop you...I think it's really nice that someone is finally taking the initiative to get these things done, but in my honest opinion, this team is the kind of thing that needed to be done for us, not by us.

I felt compelled to say something after reading 13 pages of nobody acknowledging that it's disappointing that Graal's customers are left to do this for themselves.

I really hope that this team gets some support from Stefan or Skyld. Good luck to you.

Ronnie 08-26-2009 05:01 AM
I'm willing to help,
Scripting
Gani
Gfx(A bit)
Leveling
SFX
And classic subscription.

SwimChao 08-26-2009 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by salesman (Post 1518565)
Am I the only one who doesn't like that it's left to unpaid volunteers to do the work that should have already been done by Graal Online? I know we now consider Graal a development platform, but that doesn't mean paying developers should need to write their own documentation and tutorials -- that's the kind of stuff our money should be going toward.

I like what you guys are doing, and I'm definitely not trying to stop you...I think it's really nice that someone is finally taking the initiative to get these things done, but in my honest opinion, this team is the kind of thing that needed to be done for us, not by us.

I felt compelled to say something after reading 13 pages of nobody acknowledging that it's disappointing that Graal's customers are left to do this for themselves.

I really hope that this team gets some support from Stefan or Skyld. Good luck to you.
I agree with this. There are some members of the community willing to do these sorts of things for no cost, because they enjoy them. It's either that, or they enjoy beneficial things being done for the game.

I think that money should have been put out to get this sort of stuff professionally done, but I don't see it happening.

Edit to avoid 2x posting: I also applied to join. It'd be an exciting change to be able to make some (hopefully) positive impact for the dev. aspect of the game.

Hiro 08-26-2009 05:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by salesman (Post 1518565)
Am I the only one who doesn't like that it's left to unpaid volunteers to do the work that should have already been done by Graal Online? I know we now consider Graal a development platform, but that doesn't mean paying developers should need to write their own documentation and tutorials -- that's the kind of stuff our money should be going toward.

I like what you guys are doing, and I'm definitely not trying to stop you...I think it's really nice that someone is finally taking the initiative to get these things done, but in my honest opinion, this team is the kind of thing that needed to be done for us, not by us.

I felt compelled to say something after reading 13 pages of nobody acknowledging that it's disappointing that Graal's customers are left to do this for themselves.

I really hope that this team gets some support from Stefan or Skyld. Good luck to you.
because we already had many threads about it, and still have some threads with that topic being at the core

it's one of those topics we can't actually discuss but we kind of fill it in here and there when it can be relevant


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