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cbk1994 04-27-2012 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1693110)
Maybe not, but considering the lack of complaints there's been on v6 performance, I think it's safe to say that something on his end is the culprit.

Uhm, who are you talking to that you've seen a lack of complaints? I've asked many players on Era who currently use v5 why they haven't upgraded, and almost every one cites poor performance.

Tim, for example, can play v5 full screen at 20 FPS but it drops to ~5 FPS on v6 (on one of his computers). Decreasing the window size to like 200x200 allows him to "play" v6 at 20 FPS.

xXziroXx 04-27-2012 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1693114)
Uhm, who are you talking to that you've seen a lack of complaints? I've asked many players on Era who currently use v5 why they haven't upgraded, and almost every one cites poor performance.

Tim, for example, can play v5 full screen at 20 FPS but it drops to ~5 FPS on v6 (on one of his computers). Decreasing the window size to like 200x200 allows him to "play" v6 at 20 FPS.

I've heard a lot of complaints about v6, none being performance related. Maybe something script related on Era?

cbk1994 04-27-2012 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1693116)
I've heard a lot of complaints about v6, none being performance related. Maybe something script related on Era?

Nope, removing all scripts from the level and testing on other servers yielded the same results. I've heard literally dozens of complaints about performance but have never been able to replicate them at all. Even running in a VM results in 20 FPS @ 1920x1080.

DustyPorViva 04-27-2012 01:42 AM

I get a really annoying fps-related issue with v6 which feels like it's dropping a single frame every second or so. Definitely not anything that breaks it, but fairly annoying to play and not feel like you're getting the smooth experience I had with v5.

fowlplay4 04-27-2012 02:17 AM

The problem with performance (to me) appears to be the lack of diverse (automated) testing, and useful diagnostics.

It also doesn't help the fact that a few 50+ page threads are being used for bug tracking, beta feedback and the only way to do any in-depth testing requires someone on RC to use a command to generate a log and then manage to get Stefan to read that log.

We're also way overdue for another V6 PC Update.

Admins 04-27-2012 12:29 PM

v6 should be much faster than v5, it has been optimized a lot to run on slower devices (iPod first generation etc.). The biggest difference in v6 compared to v5 on Windows is that it's using DirectX9 instead of DirectX7. The next version of Graal should hopefully running faster, it's using less hard drive operations then. The optimizations have been done to improve the startup speed on iPhone, with the latest versions of GraalOnline Era and Classic that problem has been improved a lot.

Crono 04-27-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1693148)
v6 should be much faster than v5, it has been optimized a lot to run on slower devices (iPod first generation etc.). The biggest difference in v6 compared to v5 on Windows is that it's using DirectX9 instead of DirectX7. The next version of Graal should hopefully running faster, it's using less hard drive operations then. The optimizations have been done to improve the startup speed on iPhone, with the latest versions of GraalOnline Era and Classic that problem has been improved a lot.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...2&postcount=16

Is pretty much a good summery of my complaints from a player perspective. The first one was already addressed (v6 performs better) but the other two are still an issue.

cbk1994 04-27-2012 01:11 PM

I would like to see how the latest v6 performs before writing off the performance complaints. I suspect that most of the issues experienced by players were not harddrive-related.

Admins 04-28-2012 03:24 AM

A lot of lag problems come from hard drive speed problems.
About playerlist: with a GUI style like vplusblue the playerlist looks much better than in v5, why exactly would someone prefer the v5 look?

fowlplay4 04-28-2012 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1693194)
A lot of lag problems come from hard drive speed problems.
About playerlist: with a GUI style like vplusblue the playerlist looks much better than in v5, why exactly would someone prefer the v5 look?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I personally despise the look of vPlusBlue. The buttons look gaudy and make the text annoying to read.

Comparison:

http://i.imgur.com/AMsMZ.jpg

1. The V5 is more compact, and well defined.
2. Uses native controls which overall feels much more responsive and work the way you expect them to.
3. Title bar can actually be read in V5.
4. Player list doesn't take up a 'window block' on their taskbar in V5.

Hiro 04-28-2012 05:26 AM

Why can't v6 just look exactly like v2 did? It was aesthetically the most pleasing, and felt right.

Stephen 04-28-2012 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1693202)
1. The V5 is more compact, and well defined.
2. Uses native controls which overall feels much more responsive and work the way you expect them to.
3. Title bar can actually be read in V5.
4. Player list doesn't take up a 'window block' on their taskbar in V5.

I completely agree.

Admins 04-28-2012 03:52 PM

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There: Moved the Mass-PM-Button to the bottom, reduced the height of the tabs at the top, made the window title shorter, shows account names instead of 'guest'.
Attachment 54561

Crono 04-28-2012 04:04 PM

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if the sections were divided with a style similar to this it would be perfect imo.

Admins 04-28-2012 04:15 PM

Added "---" in front x-x


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