I'm hardly on because life > graal, but when i do play, i would like to get some enjoyment out of it.

The leuc comment was directed at leuc NOT having holy word, since for some reason bjorn thought it necessary to deny him holy spells, but not balor (wtf?)

AC is useless against people that matter, make more sense now? Because everyone who is anyone on the server can break 80 ac no problem. -83 wc for me, and eventually everyone will get to that point. regardless, i understand your complaint, but it really isn't going to make much difference, if you couldn't already tell, there is just far too many other things that are taking priority over the gods, so while we would all enjoy some changes to make things a bit more diverse and add a nice twist to the game, it just won't happen for quite some time. Hopefully most of us will still be around when those changes are made.

Leuc is kind of cool because if you use curse, you can deny people from using holy and protection spells also. ;}

I could care less about your god-related points, but this is some bull****. You're going to call Draenin out for not playing, but "oh well I don't play because I have life"?

Bile has nothing going for it? Oh, okay. How about the best blessing in the game for clearing maps and farming? How about the holy possessed poison resist? How about the lack of need to eat every few minutes? Your god is in good shape. Leuc has a good armor that really isn't that good if you look at it the right way. Platemail of Power gives +1 STR and DEX is on more items than I dare to count. Platemail of Power also doesn't have a speedcap, whereas Leucetious' mithril caps you at around 5.0 if I'm not mistaken. And as for your weakness to Brigid, either move out of the way or realize that Brigid isn't exactly the most popular god on the server.

Also, if you're barely on GK, why are you here?



EDIT: Just realized you're not Bile (or are you). Either way you're speaking for Bile followers, which raises even more questions.

Also to everyone that's bile, there's a way to completely nullify holy word. Although I suspect you guys are just looking for something to cry about and are to ignorant to use it. And the only thing that makes brigid good is the relics since sanctuary doesn't block everything. It's just like counterwall but 10 times worse.

Why not speak out for a god that lacks in spells, sure he gets no relic but that's not really the issue

holy P poison resist is nice, but it doesn't stop poison, as far as i can tell it doesn't seem to do too much other than give you a chance to not be as affected by the poison.

Anyone can use the blessing, that statement is invalid because it isn't solely stuck to him

The point i'm trying to make is that bile seems to have less than the rest of the gods as far as useful spells goes, and its troubling to see that.

Balor is my next target, as far as my complaints on gods go. I have never, and will never be Anegus or Dian, so someone else is going to have to deal with those.

The main thing i want, is for gods to actually make a difference in the game, and not a small one. Most people are either gov bile or leuc atm, even ogma lacks blessers now a days. I like diversity, and diversity that can change the entire style of a fight between two players, priests or not would make the game much more fun than it already is.

So while you sit there and try to make an ass of yourself, note that i am not complaining about just one god. I just haven't taken the time to look into other gods or talk to the people who actually use them.

Oh and pat if you quit why are you still here? :)

Then make another topic about all the gods, this is about bile so you can see how everyone might be confused of why your crying.

Meh perhaps you are right, not crying, pointing out noticeable flaws that should be fixed or at least explained.

Poison resistance? Do you know what that does? It's how much poison effects you; how much str, dex, con it takes off. Not sure about damage, but I am sure about what I just said.

As for usefull spell, a few disease, wounds, I think that's good enough to be honest.

"Insect swarm" is that what it's called? The one with the bees or something? That's like the only attack spell that Brigid gets and it fails hardcore and doesn't really work. The only real brigid spell I ever used was santcuary if I was fighting some sort of mage.

Bile's weakness to Holy Word isn't really that bad. I mean if you're smart, you'll notice the gani that the person is gonna cast something Holy and you'll run away or try to get a hit in to stop them.

Oh god leme throw someone a lifeline...

No one is disputing bile is in good shape compared to other gods, that's a fact. Infact, Bile appears to be very much better off and it'd do more good to argue about other gods and what they need. But this is Bile's thread, so we're not going to do that here.

I'm pretty tired of sus comming up as a big bonus of bile. Erm, when i was Gov (waaaaay back when i started off) i just spent an hour making food, which lasted about a week, not to mention there's a Tavern and while hunting, monsters drop parts which are great as food on the go once you use woodsman skill. I never had a problem with food, but i guess it becomes a hot topic when 70percent of the average players online time is spent idling... :noob:

Bile is supposed to be the affliction/necromancer type god, so it's main bonuses would be it's mastery of death (poison, disease, cold, fear all of that horrible stuff), so when people say 'omy god look at the poison resist' erm ya... basic bonus. The reason why it appears to be oh so godly is how terrible overpowered poison is. If things were balanced and poison be nerfed to reasonable levels, you'll see that poison resist isn't really all that.

And as for our diseases (which should be our main attraction, being the affliction masters that we are...), i won't even bother saying they're balanced and fair in strength, they're the most overpowered (along with rabies, ogma, don't think you're not involved) element of the game thus far. I remember Klay annoying me, so i just red death'd him, and he could barely move, once in water, he was totally imobile. So obviously they need to be nerfed, alot, so that they aren't so potent alone, but coupled, both deaths can be a menace to spell casters, and really affect melee users (no regen, damage over time for each death and slight speed reducts based on wis level). But obviously, immunities need to be done with, they weren't intended to affect all diseases like this, i spoke with Stefan about it. Nightfall also needs to be tweaked, it was ridiculously strong, as i said before, needs to just cause indefinate blinding and temporary limited view like that of labrynth

Man i'm getting tired with all the problems with Bile.
Okay death prayers/spells. Face and Finger of death, for Bile users who aren't melee based is essential. Bile isn't a melee god, infact it's probably best suited to a priest type, but obvious complications don't allow for it to be used this way. These need to be fixed aswell.

You're all probably thinking, oh my god bile would be too damn strong. Err yea, if compared to gods at the moment. I'm speaking for Bile only because, i'm a Bile follower. The truth is though, all gods need to be revamped, tweaked ect, Brigid is the only one i'd say is fine except that i invisioned Brigid to be the support god, it seems atm that it's just alot of failed attempts at making Brigid a passive caster with half-baked combat capabilites. Sanctuary should be a support spell, should be able to cast it on an ally, i'd also like to see Restoration as a Brigid only prayer, that'd spice things up. But this is biles thread so leme wrap this up.

And for those Bile users who are haunted by Holy word. try cursing, and i don't mean the verbal kind. :noob:

Strangely i feel like i'm repeating myself....

Heh, I guess things have gotten a bit outta hand. I have one last thing to say though, no matter how much food you have, if you run out too quickly, it'll take a few moments (In which you won't regain) to eat the food/item that's first in your inven which doesn't seem like much, but if you're stalling for hp/mp it can be crucial.

But the difference between me and you is that I'm not complaining.

Because you speak of what should be, not what is.

Element of the game, Bile is an option if it's that much of a concern, obviously eating before battles is an option, and one should improve their combat skills to not have such long fights if their food is that much of an issue.

I would like to see another god with sus bonuses, probably relate their followers to monks, who regularly function w/o full stomachs and fast alot. Probably Dian would be best suited he is "Lord of Angels, Duke of the Heavens, Healer and Protector" and clearly the most underpowered and one that needs more alterations.

Is that not the basis of suggesting improvements? :noob:

I personally worship bile. This is not because of the food. It is because I have stuck with bile since the beginning and when I was told bile was no good I stuck with him. Now people are using bile +5 at about level 60 phy to 1 hit kill lords, bigworms, and other monsters. Guess bile isnt so useless afterall.

What ever happened to those other gods? Leuc, Dian, and so on. Didnt one of them lower ac/wc and cause blind? That to me seemed better then ogma's poisin in a pvp battle. Why is ogma so popular?

We all know god's need a bit more balancing. I think food is not an issue here tho. Be happy bile offers the chance of 1 hit kill's and the food as icing on the cake.

Bile has always been able to 1hit almost anything (even players). It just needs a larger average of higher level players to have that displayed. It doesn't take that much phys to 1hit lords and big worms btw.

Leuc is a hybrid god imo, it has great spells for mages, and it's blessing offers ac bypassing physical attacks. Leuc would probably be best suited for a pvp mage though, it's a shame whirlwind doesnt do anything. Dian does give blinding to weapons. Blinding used to be very epic but even in it's former glory it would be pretty redundant now that the average bmoder has a high enough phys to not be bothered (unless they ac stack hard). Ogma is popular because poison is so lame. It is the match winner. Poisoning someone who isn't blile or ogma holy posd can deal -8 to -10 stat reductions in str, dex and con. The str and dex loss means that they wont be able to get away and are sitting ducks. The damage from poison also annoys mages..

The balancing of the gods will be extremely tricky to say the least, i have my ideas for bile, like weakening the diseases, lowering their grace cost and making them a duo (red = stat and black = regen and damage) instead of red death being so op'ed. ofcourse diseases gone, face of death fixed so bile can actually level w/o wasting crazy amounts of grace on many wounds. Finger of death as bile's mini nuke prayer and nightfall as a buff (++dmg(especially wounds) + resists -resists -con).

Overall though, balancing needs alot of impartial testing, each god needs to have a clear purpose and not have some op'ed all rounder.

Ogma is better for phys just because of holy possession. You can use holy possession and equip a Gov weapon and it will be as if you're using a Talefung or Angel Blade.

Bile does not need buffs, that is represented alone by the percentage of the server that is already bile.

me n majin had some pretty cool ideas for balancing gods and stuff a couple of months back i dnt remember wat we said tho but if we would remember we would've fixed gk 4ever and u guys would b seeing 100+ playercount

Lol the reason the majority flock to bile is laziness. Very few newbies want to be devoting most of their time gathering food (we all know they will because they'll be taking alot of damage) and dieing from diseases that come with being malnourished. Bile is the easiest option to start out ones GK life because of the sustenance bonus and that's all. The majority don't know anything about bile's prayers, what holy pos FULLY does, what other prayers bile has that are disabled etc. Noobs only know 'i don't die ez if i pray 2 him'.

Oman we did pretty much fix the gods problem with those ideas =[
I only remember that we basically suggested what each god needed and made sure none of them was op'ed but i dnt remember the specifics.

ogma needs +100 dmg bracers with +4 con

You'll turn this into post Gambet maloria and we'll have fights lasting 5seconds. Next you'll want attack speed drastically lowered :rolleyes:

Shadow Katars need 15 second freeze thx. Also people need to learn how spells work that will counter bile like curse for example or holy word which makes bile not quite as overpowered. Also as for resist stacking or holy possession all you have to do is cast your low level holy possession or protection spell on the player and their resistances drop. Bile isn't quit as overpowered as everyone things and I would be quite happy if everyone on the server switched to bile so I can 1 shot them with my holy word and own their red death and wounds with curse.

Lol cubes, i dare you to fight me with your holy word.

Isn't this forum about BILE. Not the other God's? Lets keep to subject and go argue or complain about the other God's in another thread.. haha

Even I do not know what Bile's prayers do. I got gyped, I had like 350 grace and it said it granted me a prayer but I just never received it =/ But I was borrowing WIS gear off shrimps. Tig already told me nothing is broken on it (this like a year ago I think). Personally I would like to see some lower level prayers or items obtainable by bile. Maybe something in the 150-250 range even.

And for the sus bonus I think it would be easier for noobs if we just handed them a sus ammy so they could freely pick a god and stick with that. I am noticing everyone flocking over to Bile now. Which is okay but didn't I recommend Bile as a god many years ago and got harassed by it.

Yes I do know that you can 1 hit kill most things even with low phy, why do you think I said bile owns all these years.

What EXACTLY does "holy word" for bile do?? Can anyone elaborate on that one for me? I have a general idea but now that I read these posts I start to wonder.

Well when discussing bile it's sometimes required to mention other gods.

Bile has 6 granted prayers in total: cause many wounds; cause red death; cause black death; nightfall; face of death; finger of death. Of those six only one is working fully. Cause red death and Cause black death are obtainable but do not work fully because of disease immunity bug (i'll call it a bug) which allows people to gain immunity from both diseases by being afflicted, dieing and then waiting patiently without being restored. After immunity is gained it doesn't matter if the player is restored, they are immune forever which instantly makes those prayers useless unless you harass a player and eventually restore them before they gain immunity :whatever:.
Nightfall, face of death and finger of death are disabled. Nightfall, i have been told, acted as an affliction of visual impairment. The afflicted would suffer sight loss to the degree of being limited to that small circle of vision like players are in labyrinth event. Apparently it also caused stat loss but was way oped because of the stat losses. Finger of death was the strongest wounding spell, it was stronger than critical wounds by a lot and was also unavoidable either because it traveled faster or instantly struck the target. Face of death was a variant of the known wounds spells and was infact a coned version, basically Bile's holy word but of death.

I don't know if Tig really told you that, because it's obvious from the first post in this thread that Bile has broken spells, 5/6 don't work properly.
Also, Bile has medium level (150 base grace) prayers available. Only cause black death is high level.

Holy word is bile's most known and biggest weakness. Bile is denied the use of holy word spells from the go. And is the god most damaged by holy word. One holy word can 1-hit kill a bile user if the caster is of a high Wis level or affiliated with a god which has a strong voice such as Brigid. Combination's of the two will kill Bile users.

You seem to not know ANYTHING about bile for someone who has been a bile user from the start... :whatever:

Or I can just hit you with a battle axe of slay undead while being holy possessed by Govannon :)

That's if i'll let you hit me...
Already conjured a counter to that plan :)

Can anyone tell me if it is even still possible to get black death? Prayed for a few hours with nearly 800 grace and never got anything after red death, and I don't think any relics or prayers ever took that long...

If I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure Black Death doesn't actually shows up in your spell list GUI if that's how you're checking to see if you have it.

Try saying /cast Black Death

It's still possible to bind it to a hotkey though.

Seems you are right. Thanks

How can I bind it to a hotkey without using the gui though?

If it doesn't show up on the spell list in the gui, try clicking on columns of spells and scrolling down. Sometimes if you have a lot of spells and you're not using a high resolution, icons get 'hidden' down at the bottom of the grid.