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Elizabeth 06-01-2008 08:10 PM

i get killed when i try to pick flowers on era ):

DustyPorViva 06-01-2008 08:15 PM

Ya, like I posted before, Era isn't really newbie-friendly. You have to have friends to get anywhere.
Whenever a newbie logs on, you can literally see everyone on the minimap start coming towards you, then you're being showered by bullets.

Elizabeth 06-01-2008 08:18 PM

and then, when youre in the hospital and you FINALLY get to full hp, you walk outside and theres hospital dwellers just waiting to kill you

Stephen 06-01-2008 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth (Post 1393705)
and then, when youre in the hospital and you FINALLY get to full hp, you walk outside and theres hospital dwellers just waiting to kill you

I find that perspective very frustrating; you have to understand that this sort of "high pressure" situation is what makes the game competitive - people aren't going to lie to themselves and say "Oh yes, it's competitive". People want to actually feel the need to compete, it's part of the fun.

When you're shot down by some snot with rifle you think "I will eventually have a truck, and I will run that little **** down." >_<

Elizabeth 06-01-2008 08:47 PM

if they want to shoot someone down, go to zone

Stephen 06-01-2008 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth (Post 1393712)
if they want to shoot someone down, go to zone

Wherever there is shooting-style servers that they may shoot on it is their own decision where they would like to shoot.

If you want to pick flowers go to UN, or Zodiac - crazy how that door swings both ways, eh?

Elizabeth 06-01-2008 08:58 PM

crazy how you cant pick flowers on un

Frankie 06-02-2008 02:01 AM

We've had numerous people try and help fix the duping bug but nobody could figure out. Just "fixing it" was not an option, so sorry.

TSAdmin 06-02-2008 04:53 AM

This will appear relatively long, I'm sorry for that, I'll try to break it into pieces:-

As far as the duping issue goes, it's a matter of how dedicated to screwing things up for a server someone is to find such a glitch/bug. Think about how long the current Item System and all of it has been around, and not been changed. This was always possible, it's just that Player A finds it, tries it over and over, no one is aware of this, then Player A realises he/she was able to do it again and doesn't want to stop, so he/she tells Player B, but also tells Player B not to tell anyone... Well, of course Player B is going to tell all his/her friends, as it would greatly benefit them, and before you know it, no one of the position to stop these few players has found out until it was too late.

The problem with what Dusty said is the fact that it is easy to say "Reset the player, not the server", but you need to know which player did it, and reset them before they spread what they duped around, and you would also need to know what it was they duped in the first place. Logs are a great tool for figuring most of this stuff out, but tracking it down to specific players, then saying "Oh, sorry, I know you paid thousands for that weapon, but I'm going to have to remove it from you and reimburse you" is another thing that makes player quit, since they wanted such a thing so badly, then it turned out there was no point at all.

Frankie said something about the players, which Stephen replied to with something about it not being responsible to pin whatever on the players, but you do have to think about it: Player A is found out, you seriously think he/she's going to give up what they know about it to someone who could probably fix it? Hardly likely. I've been down that road hundreds of times, already. Even tried bargining with some of them, but once they have their end of the bargin, they're right back to it, knowing they've completely lied to your face.

Which brings me to the attitude of Era, which was also mentioned as a concern, I think by Elizabeth or Dusty. It amazes even me that oh so many of Era's players are rude, arrogant, racist, foul mouthed snobs, even though we have a filter, while other servers can go filter-free, and around 90 percent of their players are well-behaved, well-mannered, well-spoken characters of the population. Personally, I'm sick to death of punishing people for it, but all it takes is one person to hang around with someone like that, and monkey hear, monkey say. Recently, we had a sweet young kid start playing, and he managed to get caught up in the wrong crowd (Obviously easy to do on Era), and now he's a rude, annoying, foul-mouthed scammer. Sadly, that's human nature, and even more sadly - most of them are concentrated on the one server, which spreads it within itself. I could spam the heck out of words that will just appear as *'s on here, but it doesn't change the fact that I said it, and all it would take is an impressionable newbie to see it, think it's fine, and then repeat my action thinking it's the acceptable thing to do.

cbk1994 06-02-2008 06:39 AM

I don't know why whoever renamed this did; the thread title was relevant and correct.

In any case, hopefully the reset will help.

It is a shame how some players ruin it for everybody.

Stephen 06-02-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin (Post 1393775)
Frankie said something about the players, which Stephen replied to with something about it not being responsible to pin whatever on the players, but you do have to think about it: Player A is found out, you seriously think he/she's going to give up what they know about it to someone who could probably fix it? Hardly likely. I've been down that road hundreds of times, already. Even tried bargining with some of them, but once they have their end of the bargin, they're right back to it, knowing they've completely lied to your face.

Please refer to the post of Dusty's which I mentioned. You'll find your proper route of action there.

[email protected] 06-02-2008 12:23 PM

hmm i could add newbie protection for two hours on first login to Era. within that two hours you can't be hurt or do damage?

cbk1994 06-02-2008 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 1393790)
hmm i could add newbie protection for two hours on first login to Era. within that two hours you can't be hurt or do damage?

Yes, because 2 hours is enough time to get $200,000.

Plus, most :noob:'s don't know where to start, and it takes them a while to figure it out, especially if they don't have friends (first time playing).

[email protected] 06-02-2008 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1393806)
Yes, because 2 hours is enough time to get $200,000.

Plus, most :noob:'s don't know where to start, and it takes them a while to figure it out, especially if they don't have friends (first time playing).

what would you recommend? [time wise]

cbk1994 06-02-2008 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 1393808)
what would you recommend? [time wise]

Two hours would be enough time if there was some kind of introduction (introduces them to the ways to make money).


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