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Crono 04-11-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu (Post 1568507)
You're basing all of this off of the current situation of Valikorlia. Back when we voted for Omake to be manager, we had a playercount 2 or 3 times greater than the one we have now on our best days, even eclipsing UN every now and then. We also had a smaller staff team than we have now. So, no, most of the players were not staff members.

I'm pretty sure Val had a pop of ~40 then. And even during this time it was a very close playerbase.

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Also, just to reiterate, our playercount was considerably larger during that time, right up there with the current average playercounts of Zodiac and Era. So it can be done for 'medium-large' scale servers. The players simply have to know what they want and the people running for manager have to be able to deliver.
For some reason I doubt this, because I do not remember Val holding such a high playercount during this time period. I do remember the boost of players once the worldmap was re-done but I'm pretty sure Omake was manager then. Anyways, Valikorlia's playerbase was always very closed and I'm 100% sure the vast majority of those who took part in the election weren't clueless dolts. I'm quite confident a pretty big number of them have had staff experience and played the server for a while. Compare this to UN/Era/Zodiac's players and you'll see why an election system just wont work.

Staff positions aren't a democratic thing anyway. It's why you don't vote for your police chiefs, firemen, mcdonalds owners, etc.

fowlplay4 04-11-2010 09:30 PM

crono for mcdonalds owner.

Crono 04-11-2010 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1568529)
crono for mcdonalds owner.

free happy meal if u vote for me

LoneAngelIbesu 04-11-2010 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1568523)
I'm pretty sure Val had a pop of ~40 then. And even during this time it was a very close playerbase.

Yes. The playercount was anywhere from 40-60 (about the same as UN and Era today -- not Zodiac, that was a mistake), as compared its pitiful 20-30 now (on its best days). That would make Valikorlia, at the time of elections, a 'medium'-sized server.

I don't know what you mean by 'close', though. If by close you mean we argued over masses, then yeah, we were all 'close'.

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1568523)
For some reason I doubt this, because I do not remember Val holding such a high playercount during this time period.

I do.

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1568523)
Anyways, Valikorlia's playerbase was always very closed and I'm 100% sure the vast majority of those who took part in the election weren't clueless dolts. I'm quite confident a pretty big number of them have had staff experience and played the server for a while. Compare this to UN/Era/Zodiac's players and you'll see why an election system just wont work.

It doesn't matter how close or how smart the players are. What matters is if the people running for manager are capable, reliable, responsible, etc. You should have a situation where the server would be just fine no matter who would be elected, where the election is just a matter of what direction the players want the server to go.

Crono 04-11-2010 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu (Post 1568537)
It doesn't matter how close or how smart the players are. What matters is if the people running for manager are capable, reliable, responsible, etc. You should have a situation where the server would be just fine no matter who would be elected, where the election is just a matter of what direction the players want the server to go.

And I'm saying that on servers like UN/Zodiac/Era the majority of the players wouldn't know a "capable, reliable, responsible, etc" manager. It turns into a popularity contest instead. Valikorlians know better, if a complete **** person was running for manager he wouldn't get through.

LoneAngelIbesu 04-11-2010 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1568540)
And I'm saying that on servers like UN/Zodiac/Era the majority of the players wouldn't know a "capable, reliable, responsible, etc" manager. It turns into a popularity contest instead. Valikorlians know better, if a complete **** person was running for manager he wouldn't get through.

I've been arguing under the assumption that PWAs wouldn't let complete nutjobs run for manager.

Old_Days 04-11-2010 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1568535)
free happy meal if u vote for me

I better get a nice toy like the one behind Ronald...

Crono 04-12-2010 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu (Post 1568550)
I've been arguing under the assumption that PWAs wouldn't let complete nutjobs run for manager.

who r teh pwa to decide who is good and bad?!?! LET THE PLAYERS DECIDE!!

Imperialistic 04-12-2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1568666)
who r teh pwa to decide who is good and bad?!?! LET THE PLAYERS DECIDE!!

half agreed.


I demand a GraalOnline Global Council! Elections will be based on their knowledge and maturity! All votes for Managers and anything else, will be discussed within this council and decided on!

LoneAngelIbesu 04-12-2010 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1568666)
who r teh pwa to decide who is good and bad?!?! LET THE PLAYERS DECIDE!!

:rolleyes:

WaDaFack 04-14-2010 10:01 PM

Yeah! And I would have never been banned on Zodiac for nothing!

DarkRenji 04-15-2010 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1568386)
Pretty much one of the most stupid and reckless things that could ever be done to a Classic server.

This.


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