Mediocre graphics, and 'complex' scripts that do little more than replace and set ganis

Plans != finished plans. Plans aren't magically finished, so you can't decude that plans = finished = updates.

It's more like...

if (plans == finished) updates;

Well, look at Zone- they just got some new updates, and their playercount has been growing.



Hmmmm.


Those updates were graphics.

Oh, the one with 0 players.

This is standard stuff on any server.

Silencer, Red rifle, and Blue Rifle are not new. Removing something and then re-adding it in the future is not really an "update". Silencer has existed for atleast 2 years on Zone Debug, there's more too they just haven't released them yet.

From last year.

That's nice but this (along with other things you mentioned) aren't the type of updates Crimson2005 is talking about.

Standard winter themes.

This counts as an update nowadays? What?

This counts as an update nowadays? What?

Thank the Gods, Graal is saved!

Plans are usually NEVER finished. Lots of plans != Lots of updates.

All in all Graal is dying, which is what the original topic was about. The graph I posted proves this, and unless you have troubles reading graphis why are you still trying to argue?

Zone's playercount is a fraction of what it was

UN Radio is bringing the playercount up, actually.

No it's not

Be specific, what playercount? This thread is about Graal's overall playercount not just UN's.

To tackle your comment...the radio is just a fad, it'll die out again. Isn't it on right now? Why are there only 63 players on UN?

Tig and Stephen have a lot planned for GK, and I am confident they will complete them. You would be too, if you'd seen what they've already done.

One server does not make up for an entire game's lack of updates

79, actually.

It brings Graal's playercount up, though.

Hardly. It will most likely just pull people off other servers, and then their players will decide Graal is 'dieing'

Graal doesn't need constant updates, when the entire point of the game is a bunch of independent servers. ^^ The only way GraalOnline can kill itself is with higher subscription prices. The rest is up to the server managers and staff.

Doesn't change the fact that Graal is still dying.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...0&postcount=29

Awesome =D

indeed . :P

The eyes aren't big, and puppy-dog enough.

Sorry, he does not make me feel pity for him.
http://i34.tinypic.com/24wa74m.jpg

UN have been releasing a lot of things these months, new quests, new items, new events even a new town. Remember before? UN didn't release one single thing in like 2-3 years, still having a steady playercount.
Nowadays UN actually have started releasing things, but the playercount keeps going downwards. Why?
Check out the Spar House, its so crowded there nowadays :]
Their explanation: Graal is dying.

My point is: People didn't make this thread to "laugh" about that Graal is losing players. Or to arguee with blind people who just want to be "just the opposite".

We are worried, we want Stefan and Unixmad to do something, before it's too late.
We want their attention, so someday they might answer some "Graal is dying" thread (which now seems to get a new thread weekly) and say what they will do to get the players back!

Complete them when? Next year? Will Graal be here next year?
I don't think Graal's playercount are depending on GK and Zone. It's the Classic tab servers and UC servers! It's those who have the players.

stefan dont care about his product dying, he has the money already to live as a god.
One that doesnt look after its buyers.

ITS DYING!

why?

a)its losing players (see crono's graph)

b)it isnt/cant compete (business wise/technologically/content) with other mmorpg's like it did in 2000


that is why its dying

Apparently they're at the other side of that spectrum

I think the playerbase will shrink together on a low level.
What we need is client and development-tool updates and graal would throw off more money again... Yet all they do is working on iPhone software, as it brings some money at the moment? Some smart decisions and development on the right positions could turn it around already...

Even in the vactions i dont see really ''more'' people logging on, Also on Ol' West. It was a cool server, Staff got inactive and everyone left :(

My opinion: A video game cannot "die"
More like get destroyed.
I think its being destroyed bit by bit, And that there should only be the big servers and playerworlds to reduce lag on graal. Like, Get rid of Delteria, Valikoria, Atlantis and keep the bigger servers such as Unholy Nation and Era.

We're obviouslt not using the literal meaining of "die".

Small servers are not lagging the rest of Graal.

Like, sod off.

Because that won't run people off at all, now will it?

Valikorlia's been here from the very beginning. It'll be the last thing to go, thank you. :)

And what Crono said, etc.

I quit playing some months ago.
I had/have the belief that Graal is/was dying.
Other people seemed to have quit with the same belief.

Obviously something bad is going on here... unless Graal is just some big well-kept secret, and it's just outsiders thinking the game sucks.

I even laid off the forum game now that I started playing that other MMO that most of the world plays.

You're right, we should totally give up on everything. Why fix stuff? Why make new stuff? Let's just add to the already working stuff.
This shows how little you know.

Graal is slowly dying, but I don't think it's really in any trouble. The I-phone will contribute some because if I-phone players play it on there I-phones, then maybe they will look up the pc version of Graal. I think the money is a big issue now as well, life time classic is not offered anymore, and that was one of the main reasons I started. If I was just getting into Graal now, I would never pay for it. It will never be how it was several years ago, but that doesn't mean it's dying either. There is too many people working on server that will never get anywhere. Something needs to be done, but as of right now, Graal isn't in that big of a hole that it can't get out.

I'm pretty sure several third-world terrorist organizations have a higher member count than Army, that doesn't doesn't necessarily make them more successful though

What?

As far as marketing goes, MS is marginally more successful than graal purely because of it's ability to sustain constant play for a large portion of the gaming market. It's easy to get into, very accessible, extremely easy to play and is completely free from the bat. It lures you in with enhanced items for cash, and other good-looking/swirly things that attract interest.

In essence, CJ attempted to do the same thing with the whole gelat/card system. Did it work? No. Different niche of the market entirely. The fact that playercount is dropping and that there's extremely little incentive for new players to join a dying game, it's simply a matter of time before the dropout becomes exponential and graal descends into silence as nobody bothers playing it anymore.

Can this be fixed? Yes. I have yet to see advertising for graal on any google syndication ad which is gaming specific. I have never seen graal mentioned on any major gaming forum nor have I seen it reviewed by any major game reviewing site. It's not the matter that graal is terrible or a bad game, it's just the fact that it's not actually visible to the public. Graal needs to be advertised, more 'polished' payment methods added, and work on various completely meaningless side projects (such as GK or Graal3d, face it - both are dead) needs to cease and the time allocated to that needs to be spent on improving server architecture to support additional load and various other technical hoo-hah that can allow the developing community to create better playerworlds, therefore retaining a large number of newer players.

TLDR: Graal needs to advertise, graal3d/GK need to die.

If anyone updates GK, it wont get it popular. Their playercount will increase with ~10 players? Which will basically give them a playercount of 30 players. "Wow"

Major updates on Zod, UN, Era and H-Tab servers = 200-400 new players?

Yeh, what's the difference between 300 players and 10? :]

Graal needs to be mostly free. Its the only way its going to turn around. If other small and large mmo's can do it so can CJs

I donno think its better to make some good projects/content instead of just painting "its free!" everywhere.

Most of those MMOs are the exact same. Most of Graal's servers (minus Zodiac, GK, and maybe Era), couldn't really live with micropayments like that

Reason why the Graal gelat system doesn't work is because Graal isn't free. I don't think it works if the game isn't, and you have a cash shop.

I think some players dont want to play when they see it costs so much for a account, and they only get a barcode for a name

I'll answer this question.
In a sense yes, since all the trials are soon to be taking us over with their gelats and smart mouth 'tude.