If they don't say 'don't do it', then it's not really a problem. That said, the average Graal user isn't using it for commercial purposes. Only if Stefan or someone started doing it would it become a problem.

I dont really know why its like that, it kinda pissed me off when I was in the level making sure it was streaming, because it just kept looping over and over and over -_- I might change it

LOL it is a problem, dont you read the internet news. The music biz is sueing everyone violating copyright. The average Graal user IS using it for commercial purposes as long as CJ charges money for access to Graal. If graal is making money while a stream is being used then its commercial. Doesnt matter who is doing it. This attitude of its ok as long as its not noticed should be unacceptable if CJ wants to be not liable. Either way unnoticed or not, its still violating copyright, which no respectable mmo does.

Edit: if you meant its ok to stream as long as they site has no copyright warning then your wrong again. Look at copyright laws.

Streaming isnt stealing, and also thats why you use samples

No its not stealing, its a violation of copyright law! Streaming is usually meant for private purposes. Also Its a stupid/popular misconception about samples. Just because you use 20 of crap ass soulja boy doesnt make it legal. The amount of seconds of Soulja boy u can use is 0.

Again i encourage you to look up copyright laws.

That's not true at all. Using a 20 second sample of music falls under Fair Use. ;) Also the argument that because Graal charges for its game, streaming music is a violation of copyright law, as Graal is "making money from the music" is heavily flawed. GraalOnline is not using the music to encourage people to buy a subscription.

And in defense to that 20 second bit of Soulja boy, I'm assuming this is related to UN's npc, it can just be called a parody, which in that case is totally legal.

Whoever says using music at all is against copyright violations your wrong, A.) Whenever you pay to download or pay to use the music you have a license of which streaming falls under if someone has payed for the song to use on there streaming website. If you do not profit from it which no one is profiting from a 4 second loop of soulja boy it is also not going to be taken up. Streaming is not illegal it is a way of not abusing copyrights

No your wrong, YOU CANT USE SAMPLES!! not even 20 second ones, not even 2 seconds.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=...UpBl_NdhJI1ehw



The music becomes part of the product and the product is bought. If the RIAA has a problem with second life doing it then graal does.

Look at the terms of use on the internet radio site, they all use similar, if not the same.

http://www.shoutcast.com/disclaimer.phtml

moral of the story, no internet radio without consent.

Your argument would never hold up in court. First of all, GraalOnline isn't authorizing the music being on the server. Second of all, nobody is making any money off of the music, since the music isn't being used in an advertising manner. Even if it is against copyright law, sueing a company over a 12 year old uploading an MP3, which is nearly impossible on Graal, due to filesize limitations, simply wouldn't hold up in court, especially since the GraalOnline TOS says that they hold no responsibility if you upload illegal material (at least, there was the last time I checked it). Thirdly, streaming is legal. That's why websites that stream illegal movies, but don't host them, rarely get taken down. The only illegal party in streaming is the party that is actually hosting

Im talking about liability for CJ. Im not arguing that it would hold up in court but it would. Copyright peoples/ RIAA dont care whether its authorized or not! if its there its there


This will simply if for you. Graal = commercial. Music in graal = used for commercial purpose. Using music for commercial purpose = violation of Terms of use among other things like copyright jazz.

Anyone can sue anyone no matter how small of an issue, as long as that issue is a violation of the law.

Graal can claim no responsibility but i doesnt just magically legally absolve them.

Dude streaming is legal as long as it follows the terms of use! didnt you read the link. Trust me there are many agencies trying to take down those sites down. The original tv-links went down for that reason (http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives...r_arrested.php). Streaming copyrighted movies is illegal. Alot of the time its hard to shut these sites down because they are in countries with little laws regarding copyright .

As long as your not making money off of it, your allowed to use it. Or claiming it as your "own music"

It could be said that Graal makes money off of playing music. It improves the game, convincing others to upgrade.

If someone wanted to sue Graal for that, they probably could.

Doubt it though. But a small possibility.

I really, really doubt soulja boy or his recording company would wish to sue a company that makes like 6,000 a year, he probably makes that in an hour

I would like to see some of this money come my way, if Graal's making so much as a result of music. I make a lot of levels with music in them.
Yes, it does. This is why an ISP doesn't get in trouble when somebody is doing something illegal over the internet. The ISP says that the user claims sole responsibility over their actions, and that they cannot be held liable for any illegal activities

Just to solve this issue someone call soulja boy and ask if you can use a 3 second clip of his song on your server on a game that has an average of what 500 players a day?

Then someone tell me why we have radios on most servers.
And does this mean people can't be playing endless songs on their flute or w/e they use?
Pathetic

Graal makes far more money as a result of scripts. Even people like Tig, who manage gold servers, don't even receive free upgrades (or he didn't before).

ISPs have a special legal status that Graal does not have.

And ISPs still react to illegal behaviour by their customers.

National recording associations are certainly going to sue about that if they get the chance.

His contract probably does not allow him to give you permission.

Send it to his recording label :redface:

They are going to tell you to **** off because they have lawyers and stuff.

You two can disbelieve all you want but I have given you the link in my previous post where It says its illegal. Read then make a comment.

Its not a matter whether graal is going to get sued or not, its a matter whether they are liable and whether its illegal.

Look up the definition of commercial purposes and comment. If graal is making money and using someone else music then its illegal. READ THE TERMS OF USE lol concerning streaming. Dont even try to justify using hosted mp3's.

You really need to learn to do research. Companies/government branches force isp's to take **** down all the time.

And still Graal cant just say its not responsible and make it legally 100% so.