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Spark910 03-20-2003 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by Joedogg3000
Hmm, I guess, you could keep that typing in option for all those payed PW's and the top 10 could actually be on the server list. I mean, this would have it so only if you knew about a payed PW then you could play it and I guess, you could keep track of those payed PW's and they could be the one replacing the main serverlist PW's. I don't know, its up to Nemisis.
Didn't full get that. But first of all:

1.) I doubt Nem will limit PWs to ''top 10'' it would be annoying as PWs would jsut be on and off all the time, its not worth the bother, either stay or go.

2.) Paid PWs are Paid for, they pay for the right to be online, take as long as they want, set a quality THEY want, can lamost do what they want, you cant limit paying clients to a ''top 10'' scheme it doesn't make sence, if they pay they want what they should have, if you take that away from them, they wont pay.

Joedogg3000 03-21-2003 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by Spark910


Didn't full get that. But first of all:

1.) I doubt Nem will limit PWs to ''top 10'' it would be annoying as PWs would jsut be on and off all the time, its not worth the bother, either stay or go.

2.) Paid PWs are Paid for, they pay for the right to be online, take as long as they want, set a quality THEY want, can lamost do what they want, you cant limit paying clients to a ''top 10'' scheme it doesn't make sence, if they pay they want what they should have, if you take that away from them, they wont pay.

I guess I didn't make myself clear, I apologize for that. Currently for private PW's you have to type the name of the PW in the box to get to the PW, that what I am saying can be used for paid PW's, now keeping track of the playercount on each playworld can not be that hard and a system could be set up so that the top 10 PW's are automaticaly on this "top-ten" list or main severlist.

Milkdude99 03-21-2003 01:05 AM

Think of this also, A PW (paid host) The Owner dislikes you; he bans you from playing there. Graal will do nothing about this on a paid server, they don't follow Graal Rules or as they are now anyway. BUT in order for them to be popular doing corrupt things like this will not be to their advantage at all but will run players away. I think if a server is going to be let to govern pretty much themselves then ANY server having "mature content" , like profanity must have a disclaimer on onlinestartlocal that this PW has mature content and is not suitable for younger players. BUT I am sure that ALL PWS will NOT still be allowed to have ANY sexual content at all. Letting them run themselves and letting them run amok is 2 different things.

Kinatt 03-21-2003 03:14 AM

Where is the place with all the rules Pw staff should follow for future reference?

ty. =)

HoudiniMan 03-21-2003 05:07 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Think of this also, A PW (paid host) The Owner dislikes you; he bans you from playing there. Graal will do nothing about this on a paid server, they don't follow Graal Rules or as they are now anyway. BUT in order for them to be popular doing corrupt things like this will not be to their advantage at all but will run players away. I think if a server is going to be let to govern pretty much themselves then ANY server having "mature content" , like profanity must have a disclaimer on onlinestartlocal that this PW has mature content and is not suitable for younger players. BUT I am sure that ALL PWS will NOT still be allowed to have ANY sexual content at all. Letting them run themselves and letting them run amok is 2 different things.
I don't really see anywhere this is mentioned, but i think the user agreement will still apply globally unless they ammend it and mature content should be outlawed period. You have to be 13 to play, so keep it PG-13 or below. Banning based on personal feelings is thier choice, some people should really be banned even if they are within the parameters of the official "rules" and what not... They have to know if they're going to be jerks they'll be gone.

As for the serverlist, this is my personal opinion. If i'm paying money each month to Graal for my playerworld i want it on the server list. I just had an inspiration. What if rather than hiding the worlds and only people with RC being able to really see them all, why not just make a third tab? We have gold and classic, we could just add a "payed worlds" type tab in the server selection screen. I'd certainly settle for that. For that guy that wanted competition between worlds, the payed worlds could compete for top of their list.

Nem, can you provide a ballpark, off the record estimate for how much they'd want to charge? I saw $20 USD a month up there and multiplied by 12, I would not pay $240 a year for a Graal server... Personally, i would want to keep it at most somewhere under $50 a year... I don't know how greedy they're going to be about this paying for worlds thing... Maybe they could charge you more based on size... I think a world having 10 levels for really lag free sparring (my idea :)) shouldn't have to pay as much a month as a server with 5000 levels taking up 500 times the space on the server, not to mention npcs, graphics, etc...

tlf288 03-21-2003 05:50 AM

Are all these servers going to appear on the list? Geez, if they do the list will be so darn crowded. I absolutely hate this idea with my whole heart.

Googi 03-21-2003 05:54 AM

The price should be high so that nobody can single-handedly start a playerworld.

BryanluvsJulia 03-21-2003 05:57 AM

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Originally posted by HoudiniMan



Nem, can you provide a ballpark, off the record estimate for how much they'd want to charge? I saw $20 USD a month up there and multiplied by 12, I would not pay $240 a year for a Graal server... Personally, i would want to keep it at most somewhere under $50 a year... I don't know how greedy they're going to be about this paying for worlds thing... Maybe they could charge you more based on size... I think a world having 10 levels for really lag free sparring (my idea :)) shouldn't have to pay as much a month as a server with 5000 levels taking up 500 times the space on the server, not to mention npcs, graphics, etc...

LOL 50 dollar a year is too little.thats like a little more than a account. I think 240 a year is a reasonable price for a pw and I heard if people upgrade because of yuor pw you get referals and make some money

tlf288 03-21-2003 06:02 AM

This is clearly a scheme to make more money. Unixmad doesn't care about the quality of the game, he just wants more money. :\

Devil 03-21-2003 06:23 AM

Don't take my word for it, but I spoke to unixmad a few weeks ago about this, he said a 50 dollar start up fee, then 20-30 a month onwards, that wasn't a set price, just a thought by unixmad.

davidpsy 03-21-2003 08:11 AM

Ok why not this? If Unixmad doesnt want all money and truely wants better playerwolrds then he will do something to this effect. First make a .exe file to make npc server files work offline.
Second paying for playerworlds? Get real man. People want playerworlds but having them pay to have a crappy one up then having a million ones on the playerwolrd list will not solve the problem. Instead do this, make 1 server and let them pay for a folder on this server and they can have only so much mb of stuff for how ever much they payed for. No one can look in to other people's folder and people can have all the levels and playerwolrds they want on one sevrer. Also the person would log on an RC and they would only be able to edit in their folder and not look in anyone elces folder. If the person wants he can invite someone to play levels in their folder. This way its like paying for a server but its all in 1 server rather then a million different servers........

Devil 03-21-2003 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by davidpsy
Ok why not this? If Unixmad doesnt want all money and truely wants better playerwolrds then he will do something to this effect. First make a .exe file to make npc server files work offline.
Second paying for playerworlds? Get real man. People want playerworlds but having them pay to have a crappy one up then having a million ones on the playerwolrd list will not solve the problem. Instead do this, make 1 server and let them pay for a folder on this server and they can have only so much mb of stuff for how ever much they payed for. No one can look in to other people's folder and people can have all the levels and playerwolrds they want on one sevrer. Also the person would log on an RC and they would only be able to edit in their folder and not look in anyone elces folder. If the person wants he can invite someone to play levels in their folder. This way its like paying for a server but its all in 1 server rather then a million different servers........

Not everyone will be able to pay for them, and besides I hear from Nemesis that there will be a limit on how many of them there can be.

HoudiniMan 03-21-2003 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by Devil
Don't take my word for it, but I spoke to unixmad a few weeks ago about this, he said a 50 dollar start up fee, then 20-30 a month onwards, that wasn't a set price, just a thought by unixmad.
there's no way in anywhere that it costs them 50 bucks to set it up and 20-30 a month is as much as i pay for cable internet, it's going to be that even if you're skilled you can't make a PW but if you're rich and stupid you can... quality = down the crapper ;(

I really hope they reconsider this

Plus, it's going to get jacked up every year like accounts are and how much do you think you'll get from referals? i'd estimate 3 bucks on each account, max 5...

BryanluvsJulia 03-21-2003 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by HoudiniMan


there's no way in anywhere that it costs them 50 bucks to set it up and 20-30 a month is as much as i pay for cable internet, it's going to be that even if you're skilled you can't make a PW but if you're rich and stupid you can... quality = down the crapper ;(

I really hope they reconsider this

Plus, it's going to get jacked up every year like accounts are and how much do you think you'll get from referals? i'd estimate 3 bucks on each account, max 5...

so?it's not supposed to be so cheap that everyone can afford it.It's for people that really want a PW

Devil 03-21-2003 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by BryanluvsJulia

so?it's not supposed to be so cheap that everyone can afford it.It's for people that really want a PW

Exactly, and only a few people will be able to do it.


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