Doesn't anyone want to pool together to make something?

[Hiro]

I bet if all the development staff working on current servers made a new one it might actually get done.

Not that that'd ever happen realistically but, something new needs to happen.

[Tricxta]

Originally Posted by Hiro

Not that that'd ever happen realistically but, something new needs to happen.

To give stefan another chance to fart-ass someone around again?

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Tricxta

To give stefan another chance to fart-ass someone around again?

It'd be cool if Stefan made the server.

[ffcmike]

Developing an entirely new server isn't going to solve any of the current problems.
Solving the current problems however could make it more feasible for new servers to be developed.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Developing an entirely new server isn't going to solve any of the current problems.
Solving the current problems however could make it more feasible for new servers to be developed.

Keeping things stale isn't helping either. We need something new.

[PhantosP2P]

If people can't cooperate together on their own private projects, what makes you think they will come together to create something? Put three NATs together and you've already got one trying to cut down the other; the third never logs in.

Originally Posted by Hiro

something new needs to happen.

Oh? Why? The path of least resistance has worked pretty well, as far as business models go. I don't see any reason for why something new needs to happen. It'd be nice, but what's the impetus?

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Hiro

Keeping things stale isn't helping either. We need something new.

So you're saying that all of the developers on current servers, which they may have already put a lot of time and effort towards, should get together and focus on an entirely new server, where it's likely they'd have different ideas and practices, to spend an incredible amount of time and effort building it from scratch, then be faced with either dislodging existing players from their home server, or attracting new players in light of a deer price for a temporary subscription with harsh trial restrictions, all for the sake of something new?

You're also saying that a Graal Administrator, who isn't known for being astute with server design, should push aside the massive to-do list of things that are arguably overdue, in order to attempt a mountainous task that so many teams of developers have failed to accomplish in over half a dozen years?

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by PhantosP2P

If people can't cooperate together on their own private projects, what makes you think they will come together to create something? Put three NATs together and you've already got one trying to cut down the other; the third never logs in.

Oh? Why? The path of least resistance has worked pretty well, as far as business models go. I don't see any reason for why something new needs to happen. It'd be nice, but what's the impetus?

Problems like that are sure to arise but it's been conquered before.

And something needs to happen because PC Graal is boring and not worth paying for, sad to say. At least for what they're asking, and especially given how successful iGraal is.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

So you're saying that all of the developers on current servers, which they may have already put a lot of time and effort towards, should get together and focus on an entirely new server, where it's likely they'd have different ideas and practices, to spend an incredible amount of time and effort building it from scratch, then be faced with either dislodging existing players from their home server, or attracting new players in light of a deer price for a temporary subscription with harsh trial restrictions, all for the sake of something new?

You're also saying that a Graal Administrator, who isn't known for being astute with server design, should push aside the massive to-do list of things that are arguably overdue, in order to attempt a mountainous task that so many teams of developers have failed to accomplish in over half a dozen years?

In a eloquent way of being biased, yes that is what I'm saying.

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Hiro

PC Graal is boring and not worth paying for

Given that the development of an entirely new server requires developers to pay for Gold, there are much simpler and obvious solutions to this problem.

[PhantosP2P]

Originally Posted by Hiro

And something needs to happen because PC Graal is boring and not worth paying for, sad to say.

Of course. You're preaching to the choir on that one. Not a single person frequenting this forum would ever suggest that PC Graal is worth the money, except maybe Unixmad.

But why is it up the community to make it worth money, and not say... the people taking in all of the profit?

I'll cut to the chase: it isn't worth it for any player to clean this mess up, not until we've been given better tools, clearer communication, or just a slice of the pie we're selling.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Given that the development of an entirely new server requires developers to pay for Gold, there are much simpler and obvious solutions to this problem.

The current management is incompetent to keep itself on it's feet. Unless you'd rather have PC Graal die in favor of iGraal, what other alternative is there?

Originally Posted by PhantosP2P

Of course. You're preaching to the choir on that one. Not a single person frequenting this forum would ever suggest that PC Graal is worth the money, except maybe Unixmad.

But why is it up the community to make it worth money, and not say... the people taking in all of the profit?

I'll cut to the chase: it isn't worth it for any player to clean this mess up, not until we've been given better tools, clearer communication, or just a slice of the pie we're selling.

Which is why it'd be nice if Stefan lead the development at least somewhat. However, the obvious focus for him has been iGraal since it's actually made money.

Maybe he would get interested in a big project and provide some support for it. Farfetched but, still maybe.

[Felix_Xenophobe]

hell yea bro im up for it lets pool our **** together

[StormYs]

Originally Posted by PhantosP2P

But why is it up the community to make it worth money, and not say... the people taking in all of the profit?

This.

I have no clue why people are accepting this, it's a reversed world.

[NicoX]

Originally Posted by StormYs

This.

I have no clue why people are accepting this, it's a reversed world.

Because the people are just stupid. They develope their ass off to be someone great in this game, but all the money goes straight to Stefan + unixmad. Thats it. You can be Manager of Era, Zodiac or whereever you want, even Iphone Classic or Era. You dont get even 1% of the profits they make. Why not working for free in real life? Show me how you pay ur bills then.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by NicoX

Because the people are just stupid. They develope their ass off to be someone great in this game, but all the money goes straight to Stefan + unixmad. Thats it. You can be Manager of Era, Zodiac or whereever you want, even Iphone Classic or Era. You dont get even 1% of the profits they make. Why not working for free in real life? Show me how you pay ur bills then.

I'm just going to say if you develop a game on Graal, chances are you already should be reconsidering your tactics for your idea, because Graal is its own thing, why would you create your own game on something you have no control over. It has always been a place for hobbyists to do something, talking to people or developing an idea. The rules even state more or less that whatever non-copyrighted material is uploaded to Graal servers, it is theirs to own.

I feel like anything beyond that reasoning right there is just ignorance waiting for exploit, Which Stefan feeds off of.