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Originally Posted by LordZen
I think a clean change from the old ZR's system to a completely different and unrelated one should have been a whole hell of a lot more complicated than regicide. Standard rule of law in any semi-advanced civilization would not allow murdering a head of state to be grounds for assuming the victim's powers and status.
That, thats what really friggin bugs me. Honestly I dont care anymore if you dont hold true to the basic framework of the Zormite Republic and the Archist ideology. I dont care. You two already tainted that by continuing to call yourselves the Zormite Republic while disregarding its principles and throwing aside its structure. JUST AT LEAST COME UP WITH SOME REASON HALF WAY BELIEVABLE THAT WOULD EXPLAIN HOW A BENEVOLENT, QUASI-COMMUNIST REPUBLIC --- WITH ITS CENTRAL IDEOLOGY BASED AROUND STABILITY --- SUDDENLY COLLAPSES?
Friggin lame. "Oh, I stabbed you, I'm "Autocrat" now"
Plus, a Dark Elf? That would make sense in Forest. Go to Forest and pull that crap.
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It doesnt matter that Etien left the kingdom. A kingdom which had established relations with its neighbors was suddenly "taken over" by the simple act of killing its leader. Retarded. That is reason enough to go to war with Bel'la Olplyn. You cant honestly argue that the other kingdoms should just sit back and let such actions go unpunished --
its simply inviting future problems.
Take Nazi Germany for example; Brittain decides to ALLOW Germany to go on a small-scale land grab, in hopes of avoiding a conflict. What happens? Germany gets greedy and goes on a
LARGE-scale land grab, and conflict happens anyway.
Diplomacy simply doesnt allow for this kind of crap to happen realistically. If you all sit back now, then one of you will be next.
If you want to argue about RP: its simple. We are talking about nations,
Rule of Law ought to prevail. The other kingdoms should not recognize the new government which has replaced ZR, because it was a hostile coupe by an independant non-citizen of that country who simply killed its leader! This act lacked the support of its people, and for the other kingdoms to sit back and allow this to happen, then you are aknowledging that there should be no punishment for killing members of a kingdoms governing body --
and that regicide is acceptable within your own borders.
What stopped Nazi Germany from continuing on its unjust conquest of nations which had made no transgressions against it? The surviving major powers of the world
banded together for
mutual benefit, liberated France and other conquered territories, brought the leaders of Germany to justice, and installed a new government in its place which was not land hungary and power hungary.
I really dont care that ZR is gone. It really makes no sense though how it happened considering what ZR was supposed to be (refer to my quote at top). The other kingdoms ought to band together and bring justice back to that region, and install whatever government you see fit. As long as it is independant.
Brad, if you can manage to depose this "Bell uh Ocra" crap, and you can manage to take over up there, then more power to you. If you want to bring back the Zormite people also, then thats fine.
Seriously, it would fit RP better than if I would have up and done it in the middle of a fairly stable reign.
This is how it went:
That Zormite island was originally a Zormite outpost; an extension from the Empire in the old world. Its appointed regent, Torkanansu (a zormite), was overthrown by its citizens and the popular human Elder, myself, was thrown into the lime light. (There was 2 Elders technically, one zormite and one human, to represent the dual interests of the citizenry in the colony). The act of overthrowing the appointed regent is what broke the ties between the old world and the new world colony. There was a human outlash against the zormite citizenry in the beginning before Zen Archigos could fully restore order. The population of Zormites never fully recovered from the slaughter and their numbers steadily declined over time. Eventually the kingdom was predominately human, but seeing as how they were used to the Zormite way of life, they adapted their traditions and culture to be consistant more or less to what they had grown up with.
After some time with the Archigos family ruling in a monarchial styled system, there was alot happening in the other kingdoms. Alot of instability, a lot of revolutions (leaders changing very frequently). The Emperor decided to impose reforms to the Zormite government, adopting a constitution and stepping down to run for office representing a party while he was still very popular among its citzenry. This was done in hopes of regaining his former seat of power but this time with the consent of the people, which would be likely to spark less anger and instability. Once in power again, he amended the constitution to outlaw opposing political parties and highly organized the government. When his popularity began to falter, and age was starting to catch up with him, he handed his office to his daughter, Wren Sagesun Archigos, who was born out of wedlock to a Dustari woman of noble decent (Sagesun Family). This was done also to help garauntee longterm close ties between Dustari and Zormite
ANYWAYS, and this is how it could happen:
This Diamond Alliance is orchestrated to depose the unrecognized Bell uh Ocra despot. A couple surviving exiled Zormites (fish) which had been taking aslyum in Dustari or Samurai or whatever, would get involved in this war on the side of the Alliance. Once this Diamond Alliance finishes their mission, its a chance to start over again from scratch, and it would now be reasonable for an envoy to be sent back to the old world telling the Zormites there of the fall of the ZR, and further, the short lived reign of the uncivilized brutes which tried to take its place. The envoy would basically be offering to return the Zormite island in the new world to its original rulers -- and new Zormites would then be sent to repopulate.
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As for an RP explaination of how the simple act of regicide was all it took to cause the collapse of a quasi Communist Republic who's idealogy was centered around
STABILITY -- pft, that eludes me.
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It could unfold any number of ways, it dont matter, it doesnt have to be Zormites again -- but I'm sure that's the likely outcome. The good ZR could be restored also, but I'm not holding my breath.
Good luck Brad and whoever else is in on it.
06-22-2005, 12:21 AM
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