Stop.

[Glefistus]

classic is a stagnant server we need some action from the development team

[Torankusu]

no offense, but I'd rather play classic pre-2001. like, before we even had a graal 2.0 and 1.41 was the ****.

[Tyhm]

Really? I still got the files from Graal2000.
It's still a joke though - you can either use Graal2000 and Update it into another "HEY THIS ISN'T CLASSIC!", or you can try and permanently stagnate it in 2000, but either way nobody's gonna like it.

[Minoc]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

Really? I still got the files from Graal2000.
It's still a joke though - you can either use Graal2000 and Update it into another "HEY THIS ISN'T CLASSIC!", or you can try and permanently stagnate it in 2000, but either way nobody's gonna like it.

Or simply add new content while preserving the old (which is something that hasn't been attempted so far).

[Kristi]

Originally Posted by Minoc

Or simply add new content while preserving the old (which is something that hasn't been attempted so far).

It isn't "just preserving". You would have to go through old code, then interperate exactly what it is doing, then recode it for gs2. It is easier just to make new code, LET ALONE the old code was before some of the newer features even existed to make something better.

Put bluntly, it takes less effort to make something better then to convert the old.

[maximus_asinus]

I don't see how difficult it would be to look over the key scripts (to quests, etc), writing a timeline of how things are supposed to work (what happened, what comes next, what does this impact, etc), and then scripting these things from scratch. It maybe a little more effort from the scripting aspect, but atleast you'd have a solid base to build from.

[Kristi]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I don't see how difficult it would be to look over the key scripts (to quests, etc), writing a timeline of how things are supposed to work (what happened, what comes next, what does this impact, etc), and then scripting these things from scratch. It maybe a little more effort from the scripting aspect, but atleast you'd have a solid base to build from.

You said it exactly though, it takes a little more effort then making something from scratch in the situation.

[Personal Jesus]

Originally Posted by Kristi

You said it exactly though, it takes a little more effort then making something from scratch in the situation.

And with a little more effort you please alot more people.

[Kristi]

Originally Posted by Personal Jesus

And with a little more effort you please alot more people.

who says what is being made now wont please people? when it fails then ill concede to that statement.

[Personal Jesus]

Originally Posted by Kristi

who says what is being made now wont please people? when it fails then ill concede to that statement.

You're supposed to listen to the playerbase and take their input on the server.

They want old content? You give them old content that's better than what it originally was.

[Tyhm]

Originally Posted by Minoc

Or simply add new content while preserving the old (which is something that hasn't been attempted so far).

*shrugs* If I ever see Unixmad again, I'll try and get permission to give you the files I had. There aren't many NPCs in the old levels TO convert, so it wouldn't take terribly long - you'd spend more time editing signs than converting the bosses and weapons. If bigmaps still work, you might be able to get away with default arrows and bombs too. Baddies will be the big problem.

The trouble with Adding new content while preserving the old is geographic. If you only add new content on the Fringes of the world map, you encounter 2 problems:
1, that the new content will be Very difficult to reach, as the old map mostly put walls where the world ended (It would be changing the map to have the "Danger, baddies ahead!" sign stop blocking the mountain path north) and
2, that the new content will take a long time to get to. You make a new quest beyond the Gerudo desert, assuming they swim through the 2-tile crack that isn't walled. That's a long way from level13. Eventually at least 1 editor will say "Hey, why don't I just convert this old empty playerhouse into a warphouse like CC?" This becomes "Hey, why don't I tear out the empty houses in Mod Town and put in this castle?", and eventually "Why not remove the MoD Fort and carnival and replace them with ones that work?", all the while hoping to preserve the Feel of Graal while updating it - "surely there's nothing wrong with replacing dungeons that were broken with ones that work the way their creators intended!" And lo, Bruges' swordsman quest and tower are resurrected, with working scripts...and someone says "Hey, this isn't Classic! This was never here! Boo, BS BS!", and you wind up with (tada!) Graal2000.

It's moot anyway though, because even if you get the levels exactly right it'll just be another server on the bottom of the playerlist, one with no newbies. And Graal was always 90% newbies, that's why PKing was such a popular pastime. You'll have a museum copy of Graal, a Nostalgia, a Silmaria.

But if you want, I'll ask. HellRaven, you're already approved by rite of inheritance but it'd be a backslide from where Classic already is. Mostly, anyway.

[Kristi]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

*shrugs* If I ever see Unixmad again, I'll try and get permission to give you the files I had. There aren't many NPCs in the old levels TO convert, so it wouldn't take terribly long - you'd spend more time editing signs than converting the bosses and weapons. If bigmaps still work, you might be able to get away with default arrows and bombs too. Baddies will be the big problem.

The trouble with Adding new content while preserving the old is geographic. If you only add new content on the Fringes of the world map, you encounter 2 problems:
1, that the new content will be Very difficult to reach, as the old map mostly put walls where the world ended (It would be changing the map to have the "Danger, baddies ahead!" sign stop blocking the mountain path north) and
2, that the new content will take a long time to get to. You make a new quest beyond the Gerudo desert, assuming they swim through the 2-tile crack that isn't walled. That's a long way from level13. Eventually at least 1 editor will say "Hey, why don't I just convert this old empty playerhouse into a warphouse like CC?" This becomes "Hey, why don't I tear out the empty houses in Mod Town and put in this castle?", and eventually "Why not remove the MoD Fort and carnival and replace them with ones that work?", all the while hoping to preserve the Feel of Graal while updating it - "surely there's nothing wrong with replacing dungeons that were broken with ones that work the way their creators intended!" And lo, Bruges' swordsman quest and tower are resurrected, with working scripts...and someone says "Hey, this isn't Classic! This was never here! Boo, BS BS!", and you wind up with (tada!) Graal2000.

It's moot anyway though, because even if you get the levels exactly right it'll just be another server on the bottom of the playerlist, one with no newbies. And Graal was always 90% newbies, that's why PKing was such a popular pastime. You'll have a museum copy of Graal, a Nostalgia, a Silmaria.

But if you want, I'll ask. HellRaven, you're already approved by rite of inheritance but it'd be a backslide from where Classic already is. Mostly, anyway.

I wouldnt mind having your old stuff. If for any other reason, to run over it and grab some plot points. I am sure there are other things that would be useful, but i have no intention of completely putting up the old stuff. I think you can agree with me that its not the best way to go ; )

[Tyhm]

Oh heavens, if I had the server as it was when I left that woulda been shipped over years ago...sadly, after FTP got replaced with RC we started doing most of the edits online, gradually moving the process over until all I wound up with were the files emailed to me to upload...and I don't even have very many of those.

And Graal2000 had no plot points. You start on the cliff in level13, wonder what the hell's going on, either walk forward and get PKed or walk backwards and try to stay on the cliff until you're shot down, eventually learn that Master Li gives out the blood axe and Angel Clan has a heart if you can survive the PK honor-guard...

[Kristi]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

Oh heavens, if I had the server as it was when I left that woulda been shipped over years ago...sadly, after FTP got replaced with RC we started doing most of the edits online, gradually moving the process over until all I wound up with were the files emailed to me to upload...and I don't even have very many of those.

And Graal2000 had no plot points. You start on the cliff in level13, wonder what the hell's going on, either walk forward and get PKed or walk backwards and try to stay on the cliff until you're shot down, eventually learn that Master Li gives out the blood axe and Angel Clan has a heart if you can survive the PK honor-guard...

I guess I misunderstood you. I have some older copies of the server, but it sounded like your copy was all like pristine tyhmland

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