New Terms of Service - Page 2

SlikRick · #16 03-09-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

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Again, standard MMO stuff. Don't get worked up over nothing. And no it doesn't give them the freedom to do whatever they want, it simply means if they have to do something about something then they can without worrying. And I say for the last time PWA and Graal ToS still overrule this anyways. They can't just go banning people for no reason.

But by the time you get a hold of PWA and get it reversed, players have lost time. This is especially harmful for players with Gold Only time and they lose days on their time on a server they like to play because of this.

Fulg0reSama · #17 03-09-2012, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Not sure what you're getting at here. Rules have been cleared up probably for the sole fact of making it easier for players to understand what is and is not against the rules. It probably helps GP/staff to be more unified in their actions as well.

You say it as though discretion and approaching each problem as it is its own problem is a bad thing. It's not.

Read my deleted message reason, it is not relevant as I decided to rethink my reply.

DustyPorViva · #18 03-09-2012, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SlikRick

But by the time you get a hold of PWA and get it reversed, players have lost time. This is especially harmful for players with Gold Only time and they lose days on their time on a server they like to play because of this.

Maybe. But if this gets out of hand then UN is going to be in a lot of trouble. Do you think that multiple reports of banning without reason is going to be tolerated? It won't be(or shouldn't be... but if it's not treated appropriately then why play in the first place?).

Like I said. EVERY MMO EVER HAS THIS SORT OF CLAUSE. Just because it wasn't written out before doesn't mean it wasn't applied. You're not losing any rights, they're just being more transparent about it.

SlikRick · #19 03-09-2012, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

The rules have been cleared up probably for the sole fact of making it easier for players to understand what is and is not against the rules. It probably helps GP/staff to be more unified in their actions as well.

You say it as though discretion and approaching each problem as it is its own problem is a bad thing. It's not.

I'm all for discretion in certain issues, but it does not imply what issues require it or not. This leaves a big loop hole for staff to exploit. And I agree with your porn comment that you've had, that is not acceptable. At the same time of these rules, staff limits need to be set to avoid a Dictatorship, where what I say goes and if you go against me you will be killed.

Fulg0reSama · #20 03-09-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

You're not losing any rights, they're just being more transparent about it.

This is true.

But might I ask how this changes for those who wish to argue against the persecutors themselves? Bring a PWA to cause a ruckus? That's inefficient.

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Originally Posted by SlikRick

This leaves a big loop hole for staff to exploit.

I'd also like to state that this also does have small holes for players to exploit as well.

SlikRick · #21 03-09-2012, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

This is true.

But might I ask how this changes for those who wish to argue against the persecutors themselves? Bring a PWA to cause a ruckus? That's inefficient.

I'd also like to state that this also does have small holes for players to exploit as well.

Small holes compared to the big ones the staff are allowed to exploit to their advantage.

papajchris · #22 03-09-2012, 08:22 AM

I can't believe you guys are making a discussion out of this. Any server has the right to punish you without warning. Your warning is agreeing to the new rules. We all know what is jailable and bannable offenses. If you dont, read the rules...

fowlplay4 · #23 03-09-2012, 08:29 AM

lol UN ToS, awesome.

The GUI is pretty bad (too small) and wasn't even centered properly on my screen.

DustyPorViva · #24 03-09-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SlikRick

Small holes compared to the big ones the staff are allowed to exploit to their advantage.

You act as though staff wouldn't do shady things before; as though they need to use holes to exploit in the first place, as if this is something that will be scrutinized under a legal court. If they wanted to ban you before without warning they would have. If they want to ban you now without warning they will. Do you think now that there is a rule staying they can, that if they do other staff will not question it? That PWA will not question it? If someone bans a player because they don't like them, and another staff questions them about it and they say "rules allow me to ban without a reason" and the staff don't do anything about , I've got a surprise for you: They wouldn't have done anything about it before. Nothing has changed.

Apparently you managed N-pulse. Surely you had a "ban without warning when justified" mentality. It's standard stuff.

Starfire2001 · #25 03-09-2012, 09:17 AM

This is from 347 days ago from the in-game UN forums.

Okilian
"If you pm the NPC-Server 'ServerRules' you will notice that the rules have been updated.

Please read them as you are expected to follow them when signing on to Unholy Nation. If there are any concern, feel free to message me here to discuss them.

Thanks"

These are the same rules that are being discussed right now. They haven't seemed to cause any problem in the last year they have been in place. The gui was just added in the (vain) hope that players (mainly new players) might read them.

EDIT: Also just made the gui bigger and properly centered it.

cbk1994 · #26 03-09-2012, 12:29 PM

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1.)UN will have a limited swearing mentality. By limited swearing, we mean that a few words here and there are okay. However, directing those swear words to anyone else, are not to be allowed.
a.Example: ****, that sucks versus You are a piece of ****.
b.The amount allowed is under the discretion of staff.

Why not just use a clientside swear filter so players can swear all they want and staff who are offended by naughty words don't have to look at them?

Geno · #27 03-09-2012, 12:29 PM

Elizabeth for manager, we need change

BlueMelon · #28 03-09-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

Why not just use a clientside swear filter so players can swear all they want and staff who are offended by naughty words don't have to look at them?

Agreed.

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Sparring.
1.)Spar running, laming, or disrupting spars via spamming is not allowed.
a.A spar ban or a jail will be imposed for these infractions.
2.)Blocking doors in the spar room can be grounds for jailing. Please allow others to enjoy the various rooms of the spar complex.

Those two can be fixed. Contact your local scripter.