GK Fails

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gerami

If GK was actually active in terms of playercount it'd be much more fun in my opinion, along with the fact that it would have a thriving community might make people want to upgrade.

A trial never experiences this. Community is something that has more "stick" than "pull". It doesn't really bring new players in, but rather it gives people a reason to stay even after they get bored of the gameplay, but gameplay is what pulls new players in.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Googi

A trial never experiences this. Community is something that has more "stick" than "pull". It doesn't really bring new players in, but rather it gives people a reason to stay even after they get bored of the gameplay, but gameplay is what pulls new players in.

Not really. I used to go to GK simply because people actually played it. I'd run around, talk to people, level a little bit, build a house for the sake of having one because all my friends had one too, etc. But once people including my friends stopped playing, I stopped too.

If GK had more players, I don't know if I speak for anyone else but I'd play it more often.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Not really. I used to go to GK simply because people actually played it.

But you aren't a trial.

Originally Posted by Gerami

But once people including my friends stopped playing, I stopped too.

This is pretty much confirming what I just said.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Googi

But you aren't a trial.

I am on weekdays.

This is pretty much confirming what I just said.

They're the main reason why I started too though. Not the gameplay.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gerami

I am on weekdays.

Which you wouldn't be anymore if 2K2 was made classic.

Originally Posted by Gerami

They're the main reason why I started too though. Not the gameplay.

Right, you somehow deduced that 2K2 had a great community before you even started playing it. What did you do, use your spidey senses?

But let's suppose that this is actually what happened and most other Graal players behave this way (which, of course, isn't true). The reason 2K2 can't attract new players is because it doesn't have enough of a community. If it was made classic, it still wouldn't have enough of a community (because without enough of a community, it wouldn't be able to attract enough players to create enough of a community to attract players). Of course, the fact that 2K2 would attract a lot of new players if it was made classic is alone enough to disprove this.

(You could, of course, say that it would increase its playercount enough just by being "new" to the classic list, except that every server that's new the classic list experiences an initial high playercount because people want to try it out, but only those servers that offer good enough gameplay are able to maintain a high playercount.)

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Googi

Right, you somehow deduced that 2K2 had a great community before you even started playing it. What did you do, use your spidey senses?

I might have gone into G2k2 thinking it had a great community before playing it.
I had reason to believe this because when G2k1 was the big thing, a friend of mine was playing it for a while, said the community was better on "p2p" than classic, then I tried it and realized (or at least in my opinion) it was true. So I assumed the same to be for G2k2...

Edit: But your point remains. You can't get a lot of players like that... not everyone will think the community is "better"... especially if they're the ones who make the other communities "lower".

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Googi

Right, you somehow deduced that 2K2 had a great community before you even started playing it. What did you do, use your spidey senses?

So just by logging in im automatically branded as "PLAYING FOR GAMEPLAY LOLS"? Dude I only started really playing GK because my friend Phayze was.

But let's suppose that this is actually what happened and most other Graal players behave this way (which, of course, isn't true). The reason 2K2 can't attract new players is because it doesn't have enough of a community. If it was made classic, it still wouldn't have enough of a community (because without enough of a community, it wouldn't be able to attract enough players to create enough of a community to attract players). Of course, the fact that 2K2 would attract a lot of new players if it was made classic is alone enough to disprove this.

Made classic => Players rush in as usual => People like the playercount number and some sort of community forms.

How is what I'm saying so wrong? People in general don't like servers that are almost dead in terms of the amount of players.

(You could, of course, say that it would increase its playercount enough just by being "new" to the classic list, except that every server that's new the classic list experiences an initial high playercount because people want to try it out, but only those servers that offer good enough gameplay are able to maintain a high playercount.)

That's the thing, the gameplay on GK is OK but im still not going to stay because there's no one there. If theres a sudden surge in players im sure it would have a lot of players like it used to.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Made classic => Players rush in as usual => People like the playercount number and some sort of community forms.

But if this were true it would be true for every server ever made classic.

Originally Posted by Gerami

That's the thing, the gameplay on GK is OK but im still not going to stay because there's no one there. If theres a sudden surge in players im sure it would have a lot of players like it used to.

I already said that it would increase the playercount. It would increase the playercount a lot. But it wouldn't be a profitable move for Graal.

[Mousymee]

What if they only made it classic for about a month and then back to the gold list? Some people might like it enough to upgrade to gold.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Mousymee

What if they only made it classic for about a month and then back to the gold list? Some people might like it enough to upgrade to gold.

Yeah, that might work.

[zell12]

Lets hae a big all out ****in war against classic and GK on Tyhms olympica thing whatever it is. Whoever wins, wins zodiac.. er GK.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Googi

But if this were true it would be true for every server ever made classic.

But GK also has ok gameplay. Most classic servers don't. My point is that you can have good gameplay but if you have a low playercount no one wants to play anymore. But mix GK's ok gameplay with a lot of players and it'll probably work out again.

I already said that it would increase the playercount. It would increase the playercount a lot. But it wouldn't be a profitable move for Graal.

Like I said above, mix of GK's ok gameplay with a lot of players would probably bring the place back to life again, so the trials would UPGRADE so their stuff gets saved.

I'm not really good at debating or making every sentence perfect so go ez. :|

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Gerami

But GK also has ok gameplay. Most classic servers don't. My point is that you can have good gameplay but if you have a low playercount no one wants to play anymore. But mix GK's ok gameplay with a lot of players and it'll probably work out again.

Work out to revive the server, yeah, just not work out to make more money.

Originally Posted by Gerami

Like I said above, mix of GK's ok gameplay with a lot of players would probably bring the place back to life again, so the trials would UPGRADE so their stuff gets saved.

As I said, I've talked to trials and have never heard playercount complaints. Saying that trials make playercount a big factor in their decision to upgrade is pretty much pure speculation on your part. But even if this were true at one time, it wouldn't matter now because 2K2, even with a high playercount, wouldn't be bringing much to the classic table that Zodiac doesn't already bring (in fact, a problem is that it doesn't bring much to the gold table that Zodiac doesn't already bring to the classic one).

[Moonite]

What would be so great with Kingdoms was Classic?
th Only thing that would increase is the playercount

the system of Kingdoms is just imbalanced players would leave in maximal 1 year again

and why should people actually start on a server where other players abused a bug to reach the highest lvl on Phys magic etc..
the Economy sucks to u have to farm like 900 Diamond to get something n1
I mean wtf...


@ googi.. there alot of FREE mmorpgs but if u want something u gain more Exp or get a item u have to pay cash.. i think that would be the only opion.. btw why do u care about the profit of graal?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Googi

Work out to revive the server, yeah, just not work out to make more money.

Refer to below >:[

As I said, I've talked to trials and have never heard playercount complaints. Saying that trials make playercount a big factor in their decision to upgrade is pretty much pure speculation on your part. But even if this were true at one time, it wouldn't matter now because 2K2, even with a high playercount, wouldn't be bringing much to the classic table that Zodiac doesn't already bring (in fact, a problem is that it doesn't bring much to the gold table that Zodiac doesn't already bring to the classic one).

So you're saying more people will upgrade for GK now than they would if GK was to be classic?