brief statement

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

Because it's a kingdom, It needs a leader to stay active.

Leader, maybe. Owner, no.

Do you understand the difference? The former is a position of responsibility and servitude, the latter is a position of power and self-indulgence.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

No. Their major task consists of making sure the players understand how to RP, and to enforce the Graal Kingdoms rules.
The team is there to encourage roleplaying among the kingdoms (in the kingdom together with the kingdom leader).
I created the team to assist the leaders and release me and Björn.

You mean a Kingdom Leader and a Graal Police? You already have those two positions. Apparently the Kingdom Leaders aren't doing a good job eh?

And just to quote you

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

Except if staff administrator Björn or his bosses kicking a leader for a good reason.

If Bjorn said that it's up to the RP Team to make the decision (I believe Andrew was the one who asked him) then I do believe Bjorn puts his own decision into the matter, seeing how they can not do anything with the kingdoms without Bjorn.

[Sam]

In the past the kingdom leaders switched a lot (the past I am talking about started with quitting Nayoko as leader of KJ). But this was the only time when Björn dont agree with the way how it happend. All other changes was made without interferences of staff. Björn didn't say its up to the RP Team to make a decicion who will be kingdom leader or not.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

In the past the kingdom leaders switched a lot (the past I am talking about started with quitting Nayoko as leader of KJ). But this was the only time when Björn dont agree with the way how it happend. All other changes was made without interferences of staff. Björn didn't say its up to the RP Team to make a decicion who will be kingdom leader or not.

He didn't say that about the kingdom leader, correct. However he did give the success or failure of the BO Order decision to the RP Team.

And perhaps the staff should interfear more, seeing how Kingdom Leaders are basicly minor staffers of Graal Kingdoms and should be treated as such.

Plus, do we really want a puppet of Debaglio to be leading a kingdom?

[Gambet]

The RP Team makes sure that there is fair roleplaying and if any drastic changes were come to a kingdom (like how the drows took over a colony of the Zormitians), that it has to be reasonable. The role playing in this case was NOT reasonable and was more of a fantasy. Since the role play that Graynt created was not reasonable and was obviously the biggest miracle to the whole story line (I.E Drows taking over a colony of Zormitians), then the Zormitians are open to retialiate and take back their colony.

I clearly told Zurkiba that if the story was PROPERLY INTRODUCED/MADE, then he would NOT have been able to reunite the Zormitians to take back their colony. The fact that Graynts story did not fit these standards, then the Zormitians are open to retaliate, since the Empire was not taken over.

[Brad]

im deleting my post because I flipped out ok.

sam i hate you

that sums it up

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

In the past the kingdom leaders switched a lot (the past I am talking about started with quitting Nayoko as leader of KJ). But this was the only time when Björn dont agree with the way how it happend. All other changes was made without interferences of staff. Björn didn't say its up to the RP Team to make a decicion who will be kingdom leader or not.

BUT YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Googi

BUT YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!

totally sweet way to use a star wars quote

[LordZen]

Originally Posted by Schlurfy

All other changes was made without interferences of staff.

A Zormite leader was removed in the past by Stefan simply because he didnt log on very much.

In that case, only members of the kingdom were complaining.

In the current case about Zormite, the ENTIRE SERVER IS ENRAGED.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by LordZen

A Zormite leader was removed in the past by Stefan simply because he didnt log on very much.

In that case, only members of the kingdom were complaining.

In the current case about Zormite, the ENTIRE SERVER IS ENRAGED.

That's one of the reasons: when staff acts in the place of a leader's inactivity. Rise and fall of a kingdom is in close connection with the activity of the leaders.

[xAndrewx]

At the end of the day Zormite is gone. Bel'la is active, that's the end of it.
You can't remove the leader from the kingdom, the leader needs to remove
themselves.

[Draenin]

Originally Posted by Zurkiba

And Bjorn left it to the RP Team to make the decision on the matter.

At this point in time, we may not be making a decision. I don't know. Right now, though, I will be taking a break from arguing either side of it, since I can easily do both and it sometimes gets me confused. For now, though, I want for the RP Team to kind of settle down a little bit and not worry about this stupid crap, because I am sick of hearing it. I was going to make reports of how each of the kingdoms are doing right now, but the sad fact of the matter is that I do not have a whole ton of time on my hands, nor the drive to do so. So, I will be working with other folks to come up with some good events in order to take people's minds off of it. Sure, Zormite may come back. But it will not be today. It will not be tomorrow. Like several others have said, the leaders can only remove themselves by leaving, or by being removed by priveledged staff. As of right now, RP Team members are not priveledged staff, so it is out of our control. I do not want to log on anymore to hear people complaining about Bel'la. Sure, I don't like Bel'la, but I am not going to listen to it when none of us can do anything about it. If I get any PMs about it, they will be ignored.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

You can't remove the leader from the kingdom, the leader needs to remove
themselves.

You're saying this, but you're not explaining why.

[Zurkiba]

Originally Posted by Draenin

At this point in time, we may not be making a decision. I don't know. Right now, though, I will be taking a break from arguing either side of it, since I can easily do both and it sometimes gets me confused. For now, though, I want for the RP Team to kind of settle down a little bit and not worry about this stupid crap, because I am sick of hearing it. I was going to make reports of how each of the kingdoms are doing right now, but the sad fact of the matter is that I do not have a whole ton of time on my hands, nor the drive to do so. So, I will be working with other folks to come up with some good events in order to take people's minds off of it. Sure, Zormite may come back. But it will not be today. It will not be tomorrow. Like several others have said, the leaders can only remove themselves by leaving, or by being removed by priveledged staff. As of right now, RP Team members are not priveledged staff, so it is out of our control. I do not want to log on anymore to hear people complaining about Bel'la. Sure, I don't like Bel'la, but I am not going to listen to it when none of us can do anything about it. If I get any PMs about it, they will be ignored.

Where are yall even getting this concept of removal of leader? Leadership change is a different item by itself. Bjorn told Andrew that the entire thing was reliant on the RP Team, in which yall have met and decided on the matter.

And I'm afraid that the RP Team, such as yourself, cant back down from your own event. This event was created by the RP Team and thusly is the fate of it.

Originally Posted by xAndrewx

You can't remove the leader from the kingdom, the leader needs to remove themselves.

Yet again, if I dont officially quit then, going by your logic, leadership can never be removed from me.

[Sam]

Read #24 and #25