Recurring Payment Method - Page 2

Admins · #16 09-06-2008, 02:23 AM

If you want to bash then at least don't turn around the facts. Runescape is $5 base subscription each month, that is barely lower than $4.26 which is the current price for Graal Gold subscription per month if you purchase the cheapest pack.

Tigairius · #17 09-06-2008, 02:34 AM

Think about it though, if you could advertise, maybe 'promote' a good advertising video on YouTube (I could probably help create it) and bring more people to Graal, more people would be inclined to use their credit card, since that's how many larger MMOs are set up.

On top of that, if there was a one-time fee of like $250-$450 for lifetime gold and you had hundreds of people upgrading due to advertising, you would be making a lot of money. I wonder how expensive it is to promote videos on YouTube...

Switch · #18 09-06-2008, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

I wonder how expensive it is to promote videos on YouTube...

****ing NOTHING

Inverness · #19 09-06-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Switch

****ing NOTHING

And that's why we need to be doing it.

Deas_Voice · #20 09-06-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

If you want to bash then at least don't turn around the facts. Runescape is $5 base subscription each month, that is barely lower than $4.26 which is the current price for Graal Gold subscription per month if you purchase the cheapest pack.

hmm i think they raised there prices?
i think its $8.something now

not bash or something, just telling

Crono · #21 09-06-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

Think about it though, if you could advertise, maybe 'promote' a good advertising video on YouTube (I could probably help create it) and bring more people to Graal, more people would be inclined to use their credit card, since that's how many larger MMOs are set up.

What the hell is there to advertise?

DrakilorP2P · #22 09-06-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

What the hell is there to advertise?

The blindingly polite and friendly community who will do everything they can to bring you fun servers to play on and make your time with Graal Online an overall enjoyable experience.

Demisis_P2P · #23 09-06-2008, 02:35 PM

I love when people use the old "Graal is worth it because you're really paying for the chance to learn game development! And that might help you get a job later in life!!"

Wow. So, my cleaning lady should be paying me for cleaning my room because she's learning how to clean better and will probably be good at cleaning other people's houses in the future? Thanks guys! I'm totally gonna go put Graal on my resume now.

If you want to learn to script or make graphics there are plenty of ways to do that for free.
You're paying to play a game where you're treated like an employee by other kids and people are taking all your hard work for free. Work that you could theoretically be getting paid for if you were developing iPhone apps, or flash games, or making skins for programs, etc.

And now you can't even work on UC servers without a gold subscription, rofl. That is really going to encourage more people to develop your game for you, especially when there was already a developer shortage.

UC servers should be free to play (but still charge $100 or whatever for hosting).
This should see UC servers get boosted player counts which will likely translate into a boosted developer count.
Once the UC server is developed to a decent stage it can be made Classic, at which point suddenly all the people who have been playing it for free will need to upgrade their accounts to keep playing/developing it.
People who are too cheap to upgrade will probably just go play/develop on another UC server until eventually that server goes Classic too.
Rinse and repeat.
Suddenly Graal has attracted a lot of new developers with free UC servers and has multiple new Classic servers with their own dedicated playerbases (instead of the same players jumping between Zodiac, Era and UN).

Frankie · #24 09-06-2008, 03:06 PM

Tig is right. Subscriptions should be separate from the Gelat system. It's not a bad idea to have players purchase them so they can get in game items, but when it comes to subscriptions that's really stupid.

I also think that after removing subscriptions from the Gelat system, you should just set a monthly rate for gold accounts. $4.65 with the cheapest pack? Let people have the option to only pay $4.65 a month instead of having to lay out 34 dollars if they want 8 months. More new players will be obligated to try out gold accounts if they only have to pay 5 dollars for a month without being forced to buy more time then they want. If they have a feeling they aren't going to like the game, they will NOT spend the 34 dollars. If they have a feeling they aren't going to like the game, but only have to pay 5 dollars to try it out, they will probably put down the money.

xXziroXx · #25 09-06-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

UC servers should be free to play (but still charge $100 or whatever for hosting).
This should see UC servers get boosted player counts which will likely translate into a boosted developer count.
Once the UC server is developed to a decent stage it can be made Classic, at which point suddenly all the people who have been playing it for free will need to upgrade their accounts to keep playing/developing it.
People who are too cheap to upgrade will probably just go play/develop on another UC server until eventually that server goes Classic too.
Rinse and repeat.
Suddenly Graal has attracted a lot of new developers with free UC servers and has multiple new Classic servers with their own dedicated playerbases (instead of the same players jumping between Zodiac, Era and UN).

Soooooo agreed.

Crono · #26 09-06-2008, 03:57 PM

You need to give people a reason to want to upgrade. How many times do I have to say this? Changing prices is fine and all but it's not going to keep people on this game.

Switch · #27 09-06-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

You need to give people a reason to want to upgrade. How many times do I have to say this? Changing prices is fine and all but it's not going to keep people on this game.

+rep

Tigairius · #28 09-06-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

You need to give people a reason to want to upgrade. How many times do I have to say this? Changing prices is fine and all but it's not going to keep people on this game.

Why don't you help then? We don't get paid to help, but Graal is just as much our game as it is Stefan and Unixmad's since we all helped create it. WE have to help keep it going. It's not "You need to do this," and "You need to do that."
It's what we as a team, a community, need to do to improve Graal.

There is a team of developers trying to get a team of people dedicated to finding ways to improve Graal, you can see the guild page here:
http://graalonline.com/guilds/viewguild?full=0&gid=9512

Crono · #29 09-06-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

Why don't you help then?

Because it's not my job to do so.

For the record I have been helping, even if slightly. I don't really take credit for the things I do though. For example I helped Xelt improve south of UN's maintown. The level to the left was revamped by Xelt but he didn't have time to do the right side, so I did it for him matching his style. Just an example of what all of you developers should be doing.

Nowadays I no longer have time due to university.

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WE have to help keep it going. It's not "You need to do this," and "You need to do that."
It's what we as a team, a community, need to do to improve Graal.

No. No, we really don't. We're players, we're not really developers. We may choose to create our own content and submit it but this does not really make us proper developers.

It's up to CJ to improve the quality of this game. This is NOT soley our responsibility, although we may help.

Graal is not a development platform, it is an "M"MORPG.

Tigairius · #30 09-06-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

Because it's not my job to do so.

No. No, we really don't. We're players, we're not really developers. We may choose to create our own content and submit it but this does not really make us proper developers.

It's up to CJ to improve the quality of this game. This is NOT soley our responsibility, although we may help.

Graal is not a development platform, it is an "M"MORPG.

In my opinion you shouldn't complain about the quality of the game unless you're willing and able to improve it.