New Super Moderator

[pooper200000]

Please forum PM any individual problems about moderation. Thank you for your congratulations and I hope I do well for the forums.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Mykel

SN got the nod because he is robotic and boring. He isn't going to do anything crazy. He's a safe and boring pick in what has been a pretty steady line of safe and boring picks ever since Kai left. Congrats. You are following Unix's rules to the tee, Darlene. You are another old woman with no opinion. Welcome to the rest of your life.

SN got the job because he understands that unixmad and Stefan makes the calls, and whether we agree with everything or not, the rules have to be enforced.

Your insult towards me is one I am used to, and falls on deaf ears, or eyes as it were. I'm not old, but am middle-aged. Boring? yea, maybe...I like it that way.
I have plenty of opinions, and each time am told that I'm not allowed to have one because of my age, or the fact that I haven't been able to enjoy the game for awhile because of my laptop. Just because most of my opinions are disagreed with, doesn't mean I have none.

As for the ones trash talking. I just look at the history on them on the forums, and consider the source. No big deal.

I understand people being upset about the state of Graal. I really do, but it isn't my fault, and not SN's. I dont know what is going on, but I do know that Stefan is busting his butt doing something regarding Graal, and he definately does care. He also works closely with SN on Zone, so I dont believe he would approve of my making him a supermod if SN was bad news.

SN wants to try to bring new life to the forums. He wants them to be fun, but he wants them to be fun for the ones who wont post here because of the negativity. He wants them to be fun for the decent population of Graal, as do I, and the Administration. It's simple. If you are only here to post negativity, and to bash new people because they arent in your clique, or popular, then please just leave. If it is so hard for you to post and be polite, and constructive, then why bother? Being rude, and insulting to people, anywhere, will get you nowhere in life.

[papajchris]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

SN got the job because he understands that unixmad and Stefan makes the calls, and whether we agree with everything or not, the rules have to be enforced.

Your insult towards me is one I am used to, and falls on deaf ears, or eyes as it were. I'm not old, but am middle-aged. Boring? yea, maybe...I like it that way.
I have plenty of opinions, and each time am told that I'm not allowed to have one because of my age, or the fact that I haven't been able to enjoy the game for awhile because of my laptop. Just because most of my opinions are disagreed with, doesn't mean I have none.

As for the ones trash talking. I just look at the history on them on the forums, and consider the source. No big deal.

I understand people being upset about the state of Graal. I really do, but it isn't my fault, and not SN's. I dont know what is going on, but I do know that Stefan is busting his butt doing something regarding Graal, and he definately does care. He also works closely with SN on Zone, so I dont believe he would approve of my making him a supermod if SN was bad news.

SN wants to try to bring new life to the forums. He wants them to be fun, but he wants them to be fun for the ones who wont post here because of the negativity. He wants them to be fun for the decent population of Graal, as do I, and the Administration. It's simple. If you are only here to post negativity, and to bash new people because they arent in your clique, or popular, then please just leave. If it is so hard for you to post and be polite, and constructive, then why bother? Being rude, and insulting to people, anywhere, will get you nowhere in life.

1. Some of graals best gfxers and scripters are criticizing him, so how are they bad sources?

2. How can he do a good job bringing life to the forums if not many like him?

3. Stefan posted that he doesnt care about graal, and bomberman on the iphone isn't beneficial to graal.

4. Having stefan work close to SN on zone really help it get to 0 players players much faster. And oh wait, shouldn't stefan be doing that stuff anyways? He gets PAID to do it.

5. Criticzing Darlenes age has no point to the issue at hand

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by papajchris

3. Stefan posted that he doesnt care about graal, and bomberman on the iphone isn't beneficial to graal.

What's this post people are talking about all of a sudden?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Gambet

What's this post people are talking about all of a sudden?

Something that was taken completely wrong. The post stated that they aren't into this to be rich, not that he doesn't care about Graal. It's people reading something into a post that wasn't there, and not what this thread is about.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

SN got the job because he understands that unixmad and Stefan makes the calls, and whether we agree with everything or not, the rules have to be enforced.

Your insult towards me is one I am used to, and falls on deaf ears, or eyes as it were. I'm not old, but am middle-aged. Boring? yea, maybe...I like it that way.
I have plenty of opinions, and each time am told that I'm not allowed to have one because of my age, or the fact that I haven't been able to enjoy the game for awhile because of my laptop. Just because most of my opinions are disagreed with, doesn't mean I have none.

As for the ones trash talking. I just look at the history on them on the forums, and consider the source. No big deal.

I understand people being upset about the state of Graal. I really do, but it isn't my fault, and not SN's. I dont know what is going on, but I do know that Stefan is busting his butt doing something regarding Graal, and he definately does care. He also works closely with SN on Zone, so I dont believe he would approve of my making him a supermod if SN was bad news.

so you are saying that you have no idea what is going on to cause the problem of graal. at the same time, you and the forum management are blocking any and all discussion about it because of unixmad's rules

so you are blocking our discussion while at the same time not understanding what it is at all?

and i don't see "following your job" as viable excuse for not having common sense when it comes to the forums. if anyone would have the best chance of getting the forums more relaxed, lenient, and more open to discussion, it would be you. out of anyone on the entire forums it would be your opinion whom unixmad might actually consider putting into implementation; but you are just doing your job, you don't want the changes, i daresay you even like the current state of the forums, and there is nothing we can do about it, so much so that now we have another person following the mold and moderating our discussion

why can't you be one of the stronger members of this community instead of a spectator in the background )8

[Hiro]

i mean seriously (and i feel as if this needs to be a separate post from what i just posted) the biggest problem here is the totally lack of communication between players and staff. it's what i meant between there being a fine line between being a player and a staff member, and it get's really hard to hold the role of both at the same time, and to sometimes lose your focus when you concentrate to hard on the other

we can't even make threads about how to save graal. the communication break is so terrible that the staff owners don't even let us post about an obvious problem that we all seem to care about in one way or another

of course people think that stefan and unixmad don't care about graal. it's an understand perspective since we haven't heard anything out of them. we get no information out of them other than the rules they set out, so much so that when stefan makes a post (in a thread that was hard enough to discuss about in the first place) it's vantage points are so extreme as to "stefan is busting his ass just to keep graal alive" and "stefan doesn't care about graal at all"

we are getting nowhere by adding new super moderators to the forum unless those moderators are going to be taking some responsibility for getting some quality discussion in about graal. i'm not the type of person who is going to personally attack someone while discussion the finer points of graal subjective-opinions (like i got out of hand with dusty and apologized for) and almost no one else around here is either - we just want to actually start discussing and doing something rather than fighting for the ability to discuss it. actions like these (which i have in no way intention of somehow adding into the fray SN) in adding people to moderate us only makes the apathy grow stronger

either we need to start looking like a community with an owner that works together with us, since this is a development platform and a forum based around that development platform, or graal is going to stagnate at a level of MMO-mediocrity that only it's most hardcore and devoted fans will ever keep up with it

in fact i think we're at that point right now don't you think?

[WhiteDragon]

Originally Posted by Hiro

in fact i think we're at that point right now don't you think?

I like a lot of what you said, and I agree that Stefan should be more public about the updates he makes and what he is working on.

I also believe there should be a streamlined interface for making suggestions so you know they will be heard, rather than ignored.

This way, the playerbase can also work off of other peoples suggestions and rank what they think is important (a rating system).


There is a lot of work to be done, but some of the negativity that has been floating around like "Stefan doesn't care about Graal anymore" is really just crazy.

I think if we can keep things in a positive light and make a good list of suggestions then things can get moving.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

I like a lot of what you said, and I agree that Stefan should be more public about the updates he makes and what he is working on.

I also believe there should be a streamlined interface for making suggestions so you know they will be heard, rather than ignored.

This way, the playerbase can also work off of other peoples suggestions and rank what they think is important (a rating system).


There is a lot of work to be done, but some of the negativity that has been floating around like "Stefan doesn't care about Graal anymore" is really just crazy.

I think if we can keep things in a positive light and make a good list of suggestions then things can get moving.

they have been in a positive light! go back and read my "this needs to be discussed" thread!

that is a call for us to band together and make something to save graal!

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Hiro

so you are saying that you have no idea what is going on to cause the problem of graal. at the same time, you and the forum management are blocking any and all discussion about it because of unixmad's rules

so you are blocking our discussion while at the same time not understanding what it is at all?

I meant, I dont know what Stefan and unixmad's plans are regarding Graal. They dont talk to me. I'm not a global, not anyone of much importance, just a forums Admin. If they dont want something on the forums, then it wont be on the forums. If I dont enforce the rules, they will, and/or find someone who will. Who am I to tell them what they can and cannot allow? I dont have to like it. It's their call. If they want me to do something differently, I will surely comply.

They want a community that can at least be civil towards each other, and maybe even respectful of others feelings. For crying out loud, members come on here and bash others for grammar, spelling, and for other things. We dont want people to be afraid to post here over such stupid stuff. But it's ok for those popular people to purposely misspell stuff because it's cool? It is not going to work like that. I dont care if no one posts here anymore. It is not hard to e nice, and helpful to one another.

As for the things Stefan dont want posted, you will have to speak to him, and stop making it look like I, SN, or Sam can just ignore what he wants, and do what we want. It doesn't work like that in business. You do your job, or lose it, or walk away if you cant do it. Simple.


Now, please, let's not further this discussion in this thread.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I meant, I dont know what Stefan and unixmad's plans are regarding Graal. They dont talk to me. I'm not a global, not anyone of much importance, just a forums Admin. If they dont want something on the forums, then it wont be on the forums. If I dont enforce the rules, they will, and/or find someone who will. Who am I to tell them what they can and cannot allow? I dont have to like it. It's their call. If they want me to do something differently, I will surely comply.

They want a community that can at least be civil towards each other, and maybe even respectful of others feelings. For crying out loud, members come on here and bash others for grammar, spelling, and for other things. We dont want people to be afraid to post here over such stupid stuff. But it's ok for those popular people to purposely misspell stuff because it's cool? It is not going to work like that. I dont care if no one posts here anymore. It is not hard to e nice, and helpful to one another.

As for the things Stefan dont want posted, you will have to speak to him, and stop making it look like I, SN, or Sam can just ignore what he wants, and do what we want. It doesn't work like that in business. You do your job, or lose it, or walk away if you cant do it. Simple.


Now, please, let's not further this discussion in this thread.

are you saying we can make a new thread for this discussion then? if so, as forum admin, can you please start that topic for us? a sticky would be nice

and also, i don't see why you are degrading your position as a forums admin. it's about as hard to get as any global job, and it's got it's share of the workload. i bet if you tried to talk to them about things (or let us have a thread to do it with you) we could come to a good conclusion on it. this is exactly the type of mentality that will get us nowhere before we even start

[papajchris]

Originally Posted by Hiro

are you saying we can make a new thread for this discussion then? if so, as forum admin, can you please start that topic for us? a sticky would be nice

And you are more than welcome to delete any posts that aren't beneficial to the cause if you do this