Should P2P playerworld owners be.. paid?

[Falcor]

This is volenteer work, if you wont work unless your paid, this isnt the game for you. sure its nice and I wouldnt mind getting money for doing work. but still, its volenteer, aka optional. If you were getting paid then youd HAVE to work on your server ALL THE TIME or it would be deleted. becasue why pay "employees" who dont work? *can name a few right now, high admins*

And lets not forget about foreign currancy policies, and W2 forms and taxes. Wed have a big Legal Jumbo to-do about making income. And ofcouse going underground isnt the best thing for an aspiring game.

All in all.. Bad idea.

[DeathChill]

Hmmm! I do agree with Vermain.

[Slaktmaster]

Go Vermain!

[LiquidIce00]

Originally posted by Ziro-


ehrm.....in response to the message liquid quoted.....

WTFS??! 30,000 a year? isn't that the only money stefan makes? Graal is his work, isn't it? 30,000....subtract all those costs like the servers,that's not good enough to live off of unless you want stefan living in a small one-room apartment! especially with the needd to support so many playerworlds, a lot of which are complete **** and should improve to show their appreciation, like LiquidIce! go! fix your problems, liquid! last time i remember about your server.....i paused on the side of a spar room ( in the area ment for sitting and watching spars), and then a GP comes in, with no GP tag, he updates the sparroom to have me unpaused, and he PK's me in the room and says it's not illegal cause he's off duty!! so is it legal for Police to go arond hacking when they're off duty?! is this what stefan is spending his money on?! damn....and these servers don't even have stories to them! personally,i think there should be 3 free servers at the most...free main and old N-Pulse w/o MoonGod and Goddess (lmgao)....and something worth playing......it's easy to hax0r on some of these free servers and do other things like cause people to no longer want to play Graal.....it's horrible, I tell ya, horrible! lots of servers get boring after trying the first time for different reasons....you either have no idea WTF you gotta do because the story is not made clear....the scripting of the levels causes you to get stuck, and other bugs..........kthxbye....i'd continue, but i forgot the point of what i was saying....

lol.. just write down their acct name and/or nickname and tell me .. I deal w/ my staff as I get complaints..

[LiquidIce00]

Originally posted by freddyfox


Yes, they are making a profit. A profit that allows them to keep the office, keep the servers up, pay certain employees, buy food, a house, clothes, and the occasional things such as coke or game boy advances. Everyone splurges, but the point is, every little bit helps. Paying people who are running servers that just sap up bandwidth like mad and churn out few customers would be charity; not for Stefan.

Cyberjouer is not a multi-million dollar company. They actually have made enough money from a "Zelda 3" clone to support themselves and even buy an office building and a company. And I will say: That's pretty darn impressive for a guy who programmed a game from Delphi.

=D

yeh ..


how about this Konidias.. Stefan will pay p2p owners certain % of people who sign up to P2P, but server owners have to pay server cost and taxes. fair?

[WHIPENIE4]

I dont like this idea at all, stefan needs to money to pay to put the servers up if he pays even more means you pay more for graal which sucks, plus this would only increase the amount of ppl making pws which would decrease the standards i think because less ppl avaible for work, making pw's crappy.
Maybe have some rights..... i dont know like free account or something for an owner ... like an actual account not like BABYACID_NPGP
(im not gp on npulse)

or maybe work out some other thing... i dont know what it would be tho..... =/

[mikepg]

I didnt bother to read the X number of pages in between here and the 1st page, because it normally jumps off topic and ends up like "J00 a stupix n00b j00 stoled m3 l3vels" I cant bare to type that.... but anyways, the reasons I think it would be a bad idea, is because of the money itself. The owners would get ALL of the money, and not give their staff anything. That would not benefit graal at all, because no one would want to work on a server, because they know someone other than graal's creators are getting paid for their work. Plus, the fact that most players (I think) are under the age of 18, which would probably araise some legal problems. This is a GAME, meant for fun, not money. If you want to get paid for graal, fax cyberjourer a resume'. Plus, everyone would just flock to a server for a breif moment of time, then, goto the next one, and alternate....making the PW owners rich, and Mr. Knorr penniless (as well as Graal's other full time staff).

So all and all, This is a bad idea.

[WHIPENIE4]

If roughly 1000 p2p accounts are created and are paid for a full year, thats 30000 a year all together.. not to mention the fact that the prices will soon be raised and more people join each year... Why are the prices being raised? For the CRAP playerworlds online, with the total of 2 whole people on them? There's like 7 playerworlds that have more players then 2k1 now.. tell me how the playerworlds aren't bringing in players.

Sure there is server cost, but seriously, 30000 a year covers payment on a house and a family of 2-3, and a car. Please explain to me how you can't afford to pay the playerworld owners that have GOOD pw's

-er- 30,000 , thirty thousand.... you cant have a house with that.... my house alone cost 300,000 =/ and a car maybe 25,000 around there for an ok one....

Maybe an apartment..... or if you ment 300,000 $$...

[royce]

Originally posted by WHIPENIE4


-er- 30,000 , thirty thousand.... you cant have a house with that.... my house alone cost 300,000 =/ and a car maybe 25,000 around there for an ok one....

Maybe an apartment..... or if you ment 300,000 $$...

25k car? thats really cheap dude....Stefan knows that he is making tons of money and doesnt want to tell anyone because then they would get greedy. Well I have another idea also. This idea helps Stefan out more than the pw owners. P2P owners earn credits towards free p2p accounts that they can give to friends and people. If you have never had p2p before and ur friend got a p2p account from his friend server owner then tells you how cool it is in p2p then that makes you want to get a p2p account even more. After more people buy p2p accounts, and when the people that were given accounts keep upgrading eventually alot of servers are turned over p2p then we can ;ppl into paying p2p owners.....Like meh ideaz?

[royce]

More servers are turned over p2p because they have more possibilites and other stuff...Eventually many ppl will have a p2p account then people will be leaving these free servers and there it becomes more practical to turn over p2p....Its all in the future about pw owners being paid right now but we need to think of more ways for people to get p2p accounts then we can determine konidias idea.

[Slaktmaster]

HOW would Stefan be rich from Graal? Count the upgraded accounts, maybe 2000. He earned 50000 dollars in one year and he has to pay a lot of that money for things already listed. Hopefully him and Unixmad each get enough to support their living!

[konidias]

Unixmad is super rich.. he invests money in games other then graal.. Nexus for example.. here is some evidence

http://www.legende.net/presskit/press5.html

This topic needs to be removed because almost none of you have the right idea about this.. You're all off track and making assumptions. 25,000 for a car? Sure, but you don't f***ing buy a house or car in one payment..

I just thought it would be nifty if pw owners got a little something for getting people to upgrade their accounts.. but you all blow it out of proportion like I'm talking about paying the owners 50000 a month to sit around and do absolutely nothing, and that all these crappy pw's up now would be getting paid, or that more crappy pw's would go up and get paid.

I meant that the GOOD p2p playerworld owners got paid.. and I already mentioned that server costs and crap can be subtracted from the payments.. for crying out loud pay attention to what I'm saying instead of hearing one line and then getting a bunch of ideas in your head.

This thread is garbage.. admin/supermod please delete this already..

[DeathChill]

hmm but when you say good do you mean like more people on it or do you mean actually quality wise?Because like Faheria has nice stuff but not many people are on at the moment (because it's not done but still)

[BlKnight]

This is probably what he means, or how I would see it:
You get paid for a few things, which are...
1) Number of Players
2) Quality of PW (Stefan or someone could inspect them every once in a while and give it a rating)
3) How often updated
4) Find a system to determin if the owner works, for instance a log which can be read by all, and not edited. Then someone can go through and see how often people are on, what they upload, how big what they upload is, and often, things like that. They could then rate the job the owner is doing by look at these logs, then someone with the power would reset them after being inspected every "paycheck".

I think thats what he means, and if not, it would work to.

[konidias]

Yes something like that.. and crappy p2p playerworlds wouldn't exist, because if they weren't good enough that stefan wanted to pay them, then they would be taken down.. so there would only be high quality pw's up.

Think of it like paying company employees.. I'm sure people that work for Graal get paid by stefan or unixmad.. a few of them at least.. I have heard some people have gotten/get paid for doing work.

I don't think it's greedy or ridiculous, I think it's greedy and ridiculous that stefan scoffs this idea because he doesn't want to have to resort to paying people that do hard work to make graal better so he can go and raise the prices and make more money and not share it.

"here do lots of hard work for me to make graal awesome then I can raise upgrading prices and make more money from your hard work."

It seems like people give and give to stefan, and as soon as they ask for a little giving back, he laughs at the idea. If everyone doing free work left, graal would fall apart.. just look at 2k1 when i left, it was on the brink of not being updated again.. now it's trying to survive, but I don't think it can truely hold on much longer.. even with the new stuff coming its still the same old boring server now.. it can't be fixed unless there was a reset and a change of lots of things