Classic Graal for iPhone - Page 8

12171217 · #**281** 12-30-2009, 04:20 PM

I'd really, really like an iPhone Testbed.

Chompy · #**282** 12-30-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 12171217

I'd really, really like an iPhone Testbed.

I wouldn't mind monitoring another Testbed Server.

Vima · #**283** 12-30-2009, 04:30 PM

But the thing that worries me is that now when people want to do their own Iphone servers, according to Graals history it is a very high chance that some of them might not make it to the public. I'm not saying Era Iphone will, but still... it's just the beginning of Graal Classic I think it's better to focus on it while it has this playercount boom. Then when everything is steady, work on other servers. Don't take this for granted. That is just my 5 cent.

Loriel · #**284** 12-30-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vima

But the thing that worries me is that now when people want to do their own Iphone servers, according to Graals history it is a very high chance that some of them might not make it to the public. I'm not saying Era Iphone will, but still... it's just the beginning of Graal Classic I think it's better to focus on it while it has this playercount boom. Then when everything is steady, work on other servers. Don't take this for granted. That is just my 5 cent.

Yeah, but honestly, would you want the people who are responsible for Era take responsibility for the Only Hope of graal

SKJF91 · #**285** 12-30-2009, 06:05 PM

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Yes, we know.. didn't you read, there is now hat and snow particles!

Hey Chris, explain to me where this post deserved a negative feedback. I was simply pointing out what was done on the iPhone Server. You shouldn't be negative feed-backing the truth now, my child.

12171217 · #**286** 12-30-2009, 06:58 PM

This game is evil.

I went to bed at 10:30 PM two nights ago so I could wake up and be alert for a track meet at 6:00 AM. I turned on my iPhone and decided to have a quick PKing spree.

...

The PKing spree turned into a sparring spree and turned into a social hour with some people in game. I was lying in bed, awake, playing this God forsaken game, until 3:00 AM..

Running at the meet on 3 hours of sleep and a God awful headache, no doubt from staring at the screen, I screw over the entire 4 by 8 relay team and run a 2:32, then I screw over myself over in the 800 and run a 2:30.

Later that day, right after the meet ends, I'm sitting on a rail talking to some people. They leave, only thing left for me to do is leave. I take out my iPhone to call in a ride, battery's dead. Had to walk home in 10 degree weather in a track sweats, still cold as ****.

Damn you. Damn you, Graal. Why must you be so fun and addicting?

fowlplay4 · #**287** 12-30-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 12171217

I'd really, really like an iPhone Testbed.

It's more than possible to have Graal Classic forward people to Testbed so it doesn't require another server.

The only issue is that weapon scripts remain between servers (or at least from Classic to any other server), so that's a security issue at the moment.

Loriel · #**288** 12-30-2009, 07:01 PM

It is like '99 all over again.

12171217 · #**289** 12-30-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

The only issue is that weapon scripts remain between servers (or at least from Classic to any other server), so that's a security issue at the moment.

Surely only the clientside bytecode, though, right? And what's stopping you from removing them anyway?

And what are the current business plans as far as me hosting my own playerworld?

fowlplay4 · #**290** 12-30-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 12171217

Surely only the clientside bytecode, though, right? And what's stopping you from removing them anyway?

Seems like it, and we could remove them but this is probably an idea/feature that needs to be run by Stefan first.

It'll probably just end up becoming a server option, iphoneenabled=true or something.

Developers don't really have to change their ways at all just:

- Limit yourself to a screen resolution of 480 by 320
- Make things more mouse driven
- Use if (player.platform == "iphone") where necessary.

DustyPorViva · #**291** 12-30-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

- Limit yourself to a screen resolution of 480 by 320
- Make things more mouse driven
- Use if (player.platform == "iphone") where necessary.

Pretty sure iPhone doesn't use anything like mouse controls. Can't the iPhone register multiple touches(more than one mouse)? I have no idea how Graal handles that.

Also, it's been said before but you need to rely heavily on the serverside, so you don't bog down the CPU with clientside loops and processes.

fowlplay4 · #**292** 12-30-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Pretty sure iPhone doesn't use anything like mouse controls. Can't the iPhone register multiple touches(more than one mouse)? I have no idea how Graal handles that.

Also, it's been said before but you need to rely heavily on the serverside, so you don't bog down the CPU with clientside loops and processes.

It uses the onMouseDown events in GUIs, and so on. From what I've seen there's no Multi-touch functionality in GS2 to accommodate for it though. Would be nice if there was: onMultiTouch(touchCoords[])

Yeah, that's important too which is why scripts should be event driven as possible. I.e: playerenters, playertouchsme, etc.

salesman · #**293** 12-30-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

It uses the onMouseDown events in GUIs, and so on. From what I've seen there's no Multi-touch functionality in GS2 to accommodate for it though. Would be nice if there was: onMultiTouch(touchCoords[])

There's a parameter for which mouse is pressed, GraalControl.onMouseDown(keymod, mx, my, clicks, mouse)
GraalControl.onMouseUp(keymod, mx, my, clicks, mouse)
GraalControl.onMouseDragged(keymod, mx, my, clicks, mouse)
etc

If you press one finger down, mouse will be 1, press a second finger down mouse will be 2, and so on.

cbk1994 · #**294** 12-31-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

It uses the onMouseDown events in GUIs, and so on. From what I've seen there's no Multi-touch functionality in GS2 to accommodate for it though. Would be nice if there was: onMultiTouch(touchCoords[])

Sales is correct; I've played around with it before (multi-touch) and it works quite well, though there are some problems when you move two fingers on the screen at once (only one updates).

Yellow dots are fingers:

12171217 · #**295** 12-31-2009, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

Sales is correct; I've played around with it before (multi-touch) and it works quite well, though there are some problems when you move two fingers on the screen at once (only one updates).

Yellow dots are fingers:

You're making me jealous; I want Testbed access on my iPhone!

fowlplay4 · #**296** 12-31-2009, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by salesman

There's a parameter for which mouse is pressed, GraalControl.onMouseDown(keymod, mx, my, clicks, mouse)
GraalControl.onMouseUp(keymod, mx, my, clicks, mouse)
GraalControl.onMouseDragged(keymod, mx, my, clicks, mouse)
etc

If you press one finger down, mouse will be 1, press a second finger down mouse will be 2, and so on.

Thanks for sharing this, released my script demo displaying the multi-touch functionality in the Code Gallery.

Tigairius · #**297** 12-31-2009, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 12171217

I'd really, really like an iPhone Testbed.

It would be very possible to add an iPhone Testbed with no security-issues, right now it's only enabled for certain iPhones though to be allowed to navigate to other servers.

Not really sure how it should be added (like we can't just give everyone access to testbed on iPhone), would probably need some sort of actual plan to do a server and a dev team because we can't just let everyone go to other servers because the other servers aren't optimized enough for the iPhone and could make the game look bad.

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

It's more than possible to have Graal Classic forward people to Testbed so it doesn't require another server.

The only issue is that weapon scripts remain between servers (or at least from Classic to any other server), so that's a security issue at the moment.

Weapons only stay with the client that are added on classic iphone, same for login servers on Graal. It's basically the first server you log into, you keep the weapons you get there.

12171217 · #**298** 12-31-2009, 04:32 AM

Can I get access? I'm a capable scripter. I want to experiment, see if the iPhone is a platform worth my time, see how capable it is of running GS2 on the client and stress-testing it's rendering prowess, etc.

Crono · #**299** 12-31-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

do u get paid to script instead?? also current era is pretty bad, wat r ur plans to improve it 4 era iphone?

Sam · #**300** 12-31-2009, 11:03 AM

Isn't it possible to use the fantastic tilt function from iPhone? Another thing could be to make a character move by whisking on the screen.

SKJF91 · #**301** 12-31-2009, 11:31 AM

Theres a bug with the Sparring Arena.. if you die, and you join a spar immediately (while the gani dead is on anyway), you can use bombs etc.

Tigairius · #**302** 12-31-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Isn't it possible to use the fantastic tilt function from iPhone? Another thing could be to make a character move by whisking on the screen.

I don't think there is currently any support for this [could be wrong, haven't seen all there is to be seen], but I definitely agree with adding it.

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Originally Posted by SKJF91

Theres a bug with the Sparring Arena.. if you die, and you join a spar immediately (while the gani dead is on anyway), you can use bombs etc.

Should be fixed.

Sam · #**303** 12-31-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

I don't think there is currently any support for this [could be wrong, haven't seen all there is to be seen], but I definitely agree with adding it.

I have a game using whisk to move on my iPhone.

Crono · #**304** 12-31-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I have a game using whisk to move on my iPhone.

perhaps he means lack of support for this on gs2/graal :o

Sam · #**305** 12-31-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

perhaps he means lack of support for this on gs2/graal :o

Yes, so Stefan need to add something like this. If they want to have a good game they need to work for it and not just take things from the pc game and put it on iPhone.

Tigairius · #**306** 12-31-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

perhaps he means lack of support for this on gs2/graal :o

Yes, that's what I meant.

Sky · #**307** 12-31-2009, 03:34 PM

I still think graal on my PSP or on the google phones would be cooler. :P

12171217 · #**308** 12-31-2009, 04:23 PM

I think the iPhone is the best platform for Graal.

And accelerometer controls would suck hard.

Crono · #**309** 12-31-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 12171217

I think the iPhone is the best platform for Graal.

What? How? The PC is superior in every aspect unless you want to be playing Graal while on the tram or hanging with friends.

Umat · #**310** 12-31-2009, 04:42 PM

PSP version would be neat.

12171217 · #**311** 12-31-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

What? How? The PC is superior in every aspect unless you want to be playing Graal while on the tram or hanging with friends.

Oh, sorry, portable platform.

Crono · #**312** 12-31-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 12171217

Oh, sorry, portable platform.

o, agreed.

Admins · #**313** 12-31-2009, 04:55 PM

There is getAcceleratorAxis(0 or 1 or 2), can be used like this:

PHP Code:


			
xaxis = -(getangle(getAcceleratorAxis(0), getAcceleratorAxis(1)) - pi);

yaxis = getAcceleratorAxis(2);

12171217 · #**314** 12-31-2009, 05:04 PM

Well you just think of everything, don't you?

Now I want to experiment with it more :/

Writing something like verlet physics in GS2 and waving my iPhone like a madman would be a joy.

cbk1994 · #**315** 12-31-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

do u get paid to script instead?? also current era is pretty bad, wat r ur plans to improve it 4 era iphone?

I wish

EDIT: Didn't see the second part of the question. We plan to make it more arcade-style, meaning that rather than mining for money, for example, you kill people. It will be based much more on a "pick it up and play" game style, meaning that you don't have to play it a lot to enjoy it. We'll have gangs (parties) that anybody can create, and bases that can be taken. We'll have things like leaderboards as well to promote PKing.

12171217 · #**316** 12-31-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

EDIT: Didn't see the second part of the question. We plan to make it more arcade-style, meaning that rather than mining for money, for example, you kill people. It will be based much more on a "pick it up and play" game style, meaning that you don't have to play it a lot to enjoy it. We'll have gangs (parties) that anybody can create, and bases that can be taken. We'll have things like leaderboards as well to promote PKing.

Sounds more like "make the rich richer and the poor poorer" to me.

There still has to be jobs, or else people that just started will make no money at all because the players who've been playing longer will have the money and strong weapons, as opposed to the weapon weapons the new players have.

DustyPorViva · #**317** 12-31-2009, 08:36 PM

Should just have weapon drops scattered around, and make players pay for ammo.

SKJF91 · #**318** 12-31-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Should just have weapon drops scattered around, and make players pay for ammo.

mhm

cbk1994 · #**319** 12-31-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 12171217

Sounds more like "make the rich richer and the poor poorer" to me.

There still has to be jobs, or else people that just started will make no money at all because the players who've been playing longer will have the money and strong weapons, as opposed to the weapon weapons the new players have.

There is no economy, so no. It's based more on personal achievement. The goal is to get every item. The competition will be based on gangs/parties, events, and on PKing leaderboards, not on the economy.

12171217 · #**320** 12-31-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

There is no economy, so no. It's based more on personal achievement. The goal is to get every item. The competition will be based on gangs/parties, events, and on PKing leaderboards, not on the economy.

Uh, but what's the point of money, then? And how do you get better guns?

If killing people = getting better guns, then you're still making the rich richer and the poor poorer o.o