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[Switch]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Do you just not realize what kind of an impression you give the people that aren't blinded by their attitude towards the forum management? It is not a favorable one.

It's true though. When has Sam made a post or moderation in a while? And I always see in Graal announcements that have a lot of bashing that Darlene makes an exaggeratedly-long post that bores me to hell and back and then locks the thread.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by papajchris

3. Stefan posted that he doesnt care about graal, and bomberman on the iphone isn't beneficial to graal.

What's this post people are talking about all of a sudden?

[Rufus]

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...6&postcount=62

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Gambet

What's this post people are talking about all of a sudden?

Something that was taken completely wrong. The post stated that they aren't into this to be rich, not that he doesn't care about Graal. It's people reading something into a post that wasn't there, and not what this thread is about.

[WhiteDragon]

Originally Posted by Rufus

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...6&postcount=62

To be honest, that post sounded more like Stefan is just trying to keep Graal close to its roots, and also go down other routes like iPhone development in order to earn money rather than corrupt Graal. He even said himself in the post that he's working on v6.

I think saying that "he doesn't care anymore" is a bit of a far-stretch. I think he was almost saying the opposite.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

To be honest, that post sounded more like Stefan is just trying to keep Graal close to its roots, and also go down other routes like iPhone development in order to earn money rather than corrupt Graal. He even said himself in the post that he's working on v6.

I think saying that "he doesn't care anymore" is a bit of a far-stretch. I think he was almost saying the opposite.

That is exactly the way I saw it too.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

To be honest, that post sounded more like Stefan is just trying to keep Graal close to its roots, and also go down other routes like iPhone development in order to earn money rather than corrupt Graal. He even said himself in the post that he's working on v6.

I think saying that "he doesn't care anymore" is a bit of a far-stretch. I think he was almost saying the opposite.

"The beauty of Graal is that you can become staff" isn't really what Graal's roots are. It was a game before it was somewhere you could become staff, hell, I didn't even bother to try to become staff when it was closer to its roots as they didn't just take anyone onboard, nor did I feel like I had to in order to squeeze out any possible enjoyment remaining. People desperately want Graal to fix its massive amount of problems, and one of the main problems is that there's no server that is professional and up to any kind of game standard. What Stefan insinuated pretty much goes against what a lot of the players want so blatantly; I am not surprised at all that they don't believe he's interested in its future as what people post isn't just about the money the business could make, that's just an incentive behind the reasoning for them to do it.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Something that was taken completely wrong. The post stated that they aren't into this to be rich, not that he doesn't care about Graal. It's people reading something into a post that wasn't there, and not what this thread is about.

Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

To be honest, that post sounded more like Stefan is just trying to keep Graal close to its roots, and also go down other routes like iPhone development in order to earn money rather than corrupt Graal. He even said himself in the post that he's working on v6.

I think saying that "he doesn't care anymore" is a bit of a far-stretch. I think he was almost saying the opposite.

Apparently he's using Graal as a learning platform to delve into other aspects of the gaming industry, but companies like Blizzard would highly disagree with the notion that the online gaming industry does not bring in enough revenue. Although he did not say that he does not care about Graal, he did imply that he feels the game will not make them rich, thus, there's no point on giving as much effort into it when they can be working on other projects that will bring in more profit.

[papajchris]

Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

To be honest, that post sounded more like Stefan is just trying to keep Graal close to its roots, and also go down other routes like iPhone development in order to earn money rather than corrupt Graal. He even said himself in the post that he's working on v6.

I think saying that "he doesn't care anymore" is a bit of a far-stretch. I think he was almost saying the opposite.

dropping fairyland, dropping graal 3d, little to no updates, imo shows he doesnt care.

Edit: can't forget about when he posted in the avatar resize thread avoiding the topic and answered some random question about GK. He went out of his way to totally annoy every play in there asking for reasonable update.

[LoneAngelIbesu]

Hm.

[WhiteDragon]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I am not surprised at all that they don't believe he's interested in its future

Although what you said is arguable, I don't derive from what I said that Stefan himself still enjoys working on Graal and does work on it to achieve is own vision of it, unlike what everyone else is saying.

Originally Posted by Gambet

Apparently he's using Graal as a learning platform to delve into other aspects of the gaming industry, but companies like Blizzard would highly disagree with the notion that the online gaming industry does not bring in enough revenue. Although he did not say that he does not care about Graal, he did imply that he feels the game will not make them rich, thus, there's no point on giving as much effort into it when they can be working on other projects that will bring in more profit.

Although trying to interpolate what Stefan said any further would just be entirely warping his post, this is what I believe he thinks:

• Graal can not immediately pull itself into making a lot of money beyond charging all of it's current players more (which they can't really do any further, since they are already pushing it).
• Other technologies like iPhone games etc. bring in the money very fast, and that money can be used to keep Graal up, in addition to supporting Stefan + Unixmad's actual lives.

Originally Posted by papajchris

dropping fairyland, dropping graal 3d, little to no updates, imo shows he doesnt care

From what I have heard, Graal had to be bailed out more than once because it could not financially support itself. And now, they don't have the option to bail it out again.

If it goes down, it stays down.

I think Stefan finally realized that, and has started to balance work between making money and working on Graal.

I have also heard that Stefan works almost all day and only gets ~6 of sleep at night.



Now keep in mind, I am no official and I don't have any direct line to anyone. I believe that Stefan is doing his best to keep Graal up without risky financial plots that could take it down (forever).

If anyone has a serious beef with that, I think you should speak up and say exactly why.

[Inverness]

Originally Posted by papajchris

1. Some of graals best gfxers and scripters are criticizing him, so how are they bad sources?

Those positions have absolutely nothing to do with forum moderation and management. I learned to script long before I stopped being an immature jackass, and not everyone agrees with that either.

Originally Posted by papajchris

2. How can he do a good job bringing life to the forums if not many like him?

He'd need to make an effort to turn that opinion around. Don't know how that would work though.

Originally Posted by papajchris

3. Stefan posted that he doesnt care about graal, and bomberman on the iphone isn't beneficial to graal.

See below.

Originally Posted by papajchris

4. Having stefan work close to SN on zone really help it get to 0 players players much faster.

And you know this how?

Originally Posted by Switch

It's true though. When has Sam made a post or moderation in a while? And I always see in Graal announcements that have a lot of bashing that Darlene makes an exaggeratedly-long post that bores me to hell and back and then locks the thread.

Darlene just said SN was hired because Sam can't be around often. Secondly, if you don't want to read Darlene's explanation about why she does things you don't like then that's your own fault.

Originally Posted by Rufus

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...6&postcount=62

I'm having trouble seeing how that equates to Stefan not caring about Graal.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

SN got the job because he understands that unixmad and Stefan makes the calls, and whether we agree with everything or not, the rules have to be enforced.

Your insult towards me is one I am used to, and falls on deaf ears, or eyes as it were. I'm not old, but am middle-aged. Boring? yea, maybe...I like it that way.
I have plenty of opinions, and each time am told that I'm not allowed to have one because of my age, or the fact that I haven't been able to enjoy the game for awhile because of my laptop. Just because most of my opinions are disagreed with, doesn't mean I have none.

As for the ones trash talking. I just look at the history on them on the forums, and consider the source. No big deal.

I understand people being upset about the state of Graal. I really do, but it isn't my fault, and not SN's. I dont know what is going on, but I do know that Stefan is busting his butt doing something regarding Graal, and he definately does care. He also works closely with SN on Zone, so I dont believe he would approve of my making him a supermod if SN was bad news.

so you are saying that you have no idea what is going on to cause the problem of graal. at the same time, you and the forum management are blocking any and all discussion about it because of unixmad's rules

so you are blocking our discussion while at the same time not understanding what it is at all?

and i don't see "following your job" as viable excuse for not having common sense when it comes to the forums. if anyone would have the best chance of getting the forums more relaxed, lenient, and more open to discussion, it would be you. out of anyone on the entire forums it would be your opinion whom unixmad might actually consider putting into implementation; but you are just doing your job, you don't want the changes, i daresay you even like the current state of the forums, and there is nothing we can do about it, so much so that now we have another person following the mold and moderating our discussion

why can't you be one of the stronger members of this community instead of a spectator in the background )8

[Switch]

Originally Posted by Inverness

Darlene just said SN was hired because Sam can't be around often. Secondly, if you don't want to read Darlene's explanation about why she does things you don't like then that's your own fault.

@Sam: That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
@Darlene: I never said I don't like Darlene's way of doing things (though in some cases I do), I just hate reading her posts.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

If anyone has a serious beef with that, I think you should speak up and say exactly why.

Welcome to the forums. People do, and their threads and posts are deleted, they're infracted, they're censored, and they're banned. It makes no difference what so ever, but when you're stuck in a **** heap there's not much else to talk about. I wonder when the last time discussion occurred regarding anything related to Graal in a positive light.